Posted on 04/10/2014 6:01:59 AM PDT by Biggirl
Pope Francis aims to unite conservative and reformist strands of Catholicism with the first canonisation of two popes this month -- an impressive masterstroke that has already stirred dissent in some quarters.
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A little affirmative action for J23.
Two more I hope to see canonized in my lifetime are Bishop Fulton Sheen and Mother Teresa.
1. Doesn’t the canonization process take years?
2. What does a Pope have to do with the process anyway?
3. If a pope could pick saints would he do it for political purposes?
Same here.
The problem with the article is that there is no such thing as either a liberal or conservative pope. The papacy is an office of continuity. While a pope may focus on one of the myriad of aspects of his ministry versus others, it doesn’t make them liberal or conservative.
In my opinion, the proper moniker would be orthodox or not.
Centuries ago, that process would not have taken long and in a special way, if the person died either as a martyr or lived a very holy life. St. Francis was declared a saint a few short years after he died for example.
I would love to see Bishop Sheen canonized!
But the problem is that, the word “orthodox” is still in use by Eastern Christians at the present time so the other two words, “conservative” and “liberal” are the alternate words.
It’s really a dumb title for the article and a dumb article at that. “Heal the Church”? I didn’t know it was sick.
Thanks for the history lesson. The article you posted is contemporary.
Your welcome!
I’m trying to understand your response in the context of the article you posted. Could the pope decide on his own to canonize these two men?
It took at least two miracles with JP 2. With J23, I think there was one, most likely, and this is my guest, the latter is using what I am using, “going for the ride.”
It’s outrageous reporting by the AFP to presume strictly political motives for what the Catholic church has created a fantastically complex process for. John XXIII was beatified by Benedict XVI in 2011. Anyone familiar with the ACTUAL publications of Vatican II will quickly discover that he bears no resemblance to the liberal characature created by heretical Catholics; the radical in the papacy was his successor, Paul VI.
Pope John Paul II was hailed as Pope John Paul the Great by the crowds immediately after his death in 2003. Pope Benedict announced in 2006 that John Paul II was beatified, and that he would “hopefully be made a saint very soon.” If the use of a title reserved only for Pope saints wasn’t clear enough, the hundreds of thousands gathered chanted, “Sancto Subito!” (”Saint already!”) That a Pope should recognize popular acclamation is quite legitimate: Prior to modern times, this was how nearly all saints were proclaimed. Even after saints were made by papal investigation, several saints were made by their “cults,” such as Saint Joan d’Arc.
I remember JP 2’s funeral, the attendees, some with signs demanded and I saw that on tv that then and there he be declared a saint.
How Many Miracles are Required to Canonize a Saint?
Saints [Catholic, Orthodox, Open]
SAINTHOOD 101: Rules for Becoming a Saint [Catholic Caucus]
The Process of Becoming a Saint (Canonization) [Catholic Caucus]
Pope Lists Criteria for Causes of Canonization
I only interested in your take on the premise of this article - that Fransis picked two saints for political reasons.
I don’t think there is anything political about it, but I can see that the modern world could spin it that way.
Certainly this article spins it that way. And for some reason BigGirl though we should all read it.
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