Posted on 03/24/2014 6:24:52 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
So you believe that Paul is stating that Church leaders, if they know someone is a notorious, public sinner, SHOULD let those they are supposed to be caring for to drink judgment upon themselves?
So you believe that Paul is stating that Church leaders, if they know someone is a notorious, public sinner, SHOULD let those they are supposed to be caring for to drink judgment upon themselves?
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I don,t think i said any such words.
That generation of bishops treated pro-abortion politicians like good citizens. It was only about a decade ago that the bishops, as a group, adopted a policy against giving honorary degrees to pro-abortion people, or having them as commencement speakers. (Since that time, the 28 Jesuit universities have made a concerted effort to defy the bishops.) In the 1980s and 90s, hardly a year went by that Ted Kennedy alone didn’t receive an honorary degree or similar honor from a Catholic institution.
The original lineup of the bishops’ “National Review Board” concerning sexual abuse had several PRO-ABORTION members, among them Leon Panetta.
When thousands of people blocked the doors of abortion clinics, the police moved in and arrested them. That is, the police made themselves into direct accomplices to abortions. NO BISHOP instructed the police that they were committing a crime—and a mortal sin—each time they removed an obstacle to an abortion.
Today, pro-abortion people march up and are given Communion. This is a grave scandal. Therefore, it is a mortal sin, each and every time it happens. Only a handful of bishops have announced that this must not happen.
The bishops’ conference lobbied for the passage of a Human Life Amendment for many years, while saying and doing nothing about all these other scandalous activities—all of which sent the loud, clear message: promoting abortion is not a sin.
Cardinal Bernardin devised the “Seamless Garment,” which was nothing but an elaborate rationalization for voting for pro-abortion politicians.
So how do you think Cardinal Bernardin voted?
If unrepentant sin is the reason you exclude yourself, repent and be forgiven. The unworthy taking of the sacrament is doing it in unbelief, not discerning the body. 1Cor 11:29.
1Cor 11:29.
That if you discern the body, you won't be receiving it in an unworthy manner. That is the point of self-examination. It is about belief and unbelief. Romans 8:1
That if you discern the body, you won’t be receiving it in an unworthy manner. That is the point of self-examination. It is about belief and unbelief. Romans 8:1
Here is what Paul said in his letter to the Church at Cor.
1Cor 11
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.
Examine Yourself
27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood[a] of the Lord.
28
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
Examine yourself both in 26 and 28
The Catholics maintain that pro-aborts in this case have excommunicated themselves and pursuant to Canon 915 are not to be admitted to Holy Communion, they are outside of the Catholic Church. In the Corinthian passages, Paul was addressing members of the Church in Corinth.
Members vs. non-members.
The Catholics maintain that pro-aborts in this case have excommunicated themselves and pursuant to Canon 915 are not to be admitted to Holy Communion,
So for that reason they believe that a man should examine himself as Paul said, they do not forbid any one to take the communion.
So acting in the manner Paul told the Corinthian to do has gotten them in trouble with many in the Church.
I understand you may put it a little different but is that pretty close?
So?
Not exactly. Paul was talking to believers, not unrepentant sinners like the pro-aborts here. By the pro-abort's actions, Catholics reason, since their church teaches it, that the PAs have excommunicated themselves from the Catholic church.
Because they are ex-communicated, Canon 915 is operative and should be followed as it is church law. By continuing to commune the excommunicated, the Bishops et al in charge, are violating Canon law.
Since the sacrament is an ordinance of the church, you must be in the church to receive it. By giving communion to those out of the church, you are sacrificing the corporate confession of those who receive the sacrament like they should and hold to the confession of the church.
Did you read the text of Canon 915 before ranting?
It concerns ONLY people who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin. No mind reading is required.
Yeah, I don’t know what the heck you’re trying to say in this thread then.
Ok, i see the point you are making, they should not have to or be allowed to allow communion to unbelievers who are not Church members.
Exactly.
To expand a little.
The reason Godwin’s Law is true is that:
1) There are millions of people walking around free who hold Nazi positions. Example: Pick anyone at random. Try to discuss the concept that the civil law must be disobeyed at times because it conflicts with the moral law. You will be met with incomprehension at least nine times out of ten.
2) The Nazi regime is the most prominent of the few regimes that have no apologists.
Yeah, I don’t know what the heck you’re trying to say in this thread then.
Why not a public excommunication by the Church whenever it is warranted? Then the person should not be able to receive anywhere.
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