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The Scandal That Is Eating the Heart Out of the Catholic Church in America
American Life League ^ | March 24, 2014 | Fr. Vincent Fitzpatrick

Posted on 03/24/2014 6:24:52 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan

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To: xone

You can not make any scripture fit any subject you want it to,
Just a waste of time, its yours so take it and run with it.


41 posted on 03/24/2014 2:44:19 PM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: ravenwolf
Just a waste of time, its yours so take it and run with it.

Offended you again huh? Sorry. The Lord's Supper is a church ordinance administered by a church, pretty well accepted concept except for those who would be perpetually argumentative and offended by a scriptural definition.

You can not make any scripture fit any subject you want it to,

I referenced 2 passages. The James passage are exact words, hardly a twist.

The Hebrews passage must be the one that caused the excitement. 'not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some,' could sting I suppose if you were one of the 'some'. The admonition remains however, might be time to reflect on whether I'm the one trying to make scripture fit my outlook or could it be...

42 posted on 03/24/2014 2:56:14 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

Offended you again huh?


What makes you think that?

I referenced 2 passages. The James passage are exact words, hardly a twist.


And has nothing to do with communion.

I’m the one trying to make scripture fit my outlook.


Right, just trying.


43 posted on 03/24/2014 3:29:01 PM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: ravenwolf
And has nothing to do with communion.

How about the rest? Church ordinance and all that? The James passage was in reference to the notion that the stewart of the LS has no control over it.

I’m the one trying to make scripture fit my outlook.

I agree with you.

44 posted on 03/24/2014 3:34:21 PM PDT by xone
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To: ravenwolf
Offended you again huh? What makes you think that?

The posting hissy fit?

45 posted on 03/24/2014 3:35:32 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

Offended you again huh? What makes you think that?

The posting hissy fit?


Why would me being offended make you have a fit?


46 posted on 03/24/2014 3:56:33 PM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: ravenwolf
Why would me being offended make you have a fit?

It didn't, I am still here, awaiting your response to the questions posed in #40.

47 posted on 03/24/2014 3:58:58 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

It is you who is throwing scripture around which has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

If you want to learn, just listen and read the scripture that has to do with the discussion.

Get the pious religious notion out of your head or you will never see the truth.


48 posted on 03/24/2014 4:10:39 PM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: ravenwolf
Get the pious religious notion

LS by yourself offers nothing. There is no scriptural example of that. Sorry if it offends you.

If you want to learn, just listen and read the scripture that has to do with the discussion.

What I posted had to do with the discussion, until we chanced upon un-biblical practice.

49 posted on 03/24/2014 4:14:17 PM PDT by xone
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To: Arthur McGowan

Cushing,as bishop,confirmed me. I go waaay back to Richard Cushing and the Spellman family.

They were the Catholic “elite” in those days.

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50 posted on 03/24/2014 4:19:07 PM PDT by Mears
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To: xone

What I posted had to do with the discussion, until we chanced upon un-biblical practice.


It was not by chance, that was how you started out.


51 posted on 03/24/2014 4:29:41 PM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: ravenwolf

I started by saying if you don’t believe scripture, that is a bigger problem than communion issues. The un-biblical practice apparently came later. Come now, what’s really bothering you here?


52 posted on 03/24/2014 4:33:35 PM PDT by xone
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To: piusv

Why, indeed?

Benedict—who we KNOW agrees with Burke on this issue—created two Cardinals at one Mass: Wuerl and Burke.

Why didn’t Burke say: “I will not accept a Red Hat if Wuerl is receiving one”?

People’s minds run in well-worn tracks.

Has Francis thought this issue through, and concluded that it’s not important? Or has he never thought about it at all?


53 posted on 03/24/2014 4:44:36 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: xone

I started by saying if you don’t believe scripture, that is a bigger problem than communion issues. The un-biblical practice apparently came later. Come now, what’s really bothering you here?


Right, what is wrong with a false statement based on an assumption?

What about the plain scripture i showed you?

Here it is again.
1Cor 11
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.
Examine Yourself

27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood[a] of the Lord.

28
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup.

Examine yourself both in 26 and 28

Paul was writing to the leaders of the Church, Let him ( do not forbide him.
It can not be plainer than that.

You examine yourself and i examine myself, as i said, i have examined my self and found myself unworthy so i do not take Communion.

Over.


54 posted on 03/24/2014 4:58:39 PM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: ravenwolf

Ravenwolf, I know which post Xone is referring to and you need to know that the Church teaches that ALL Scripture is from God.


55 posted on 03/24/2014 5:32:57 PM PDT by piusv
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To: ex-snook

So you take the position that the Nazis took:

Anyone in the Church who said, “You should not be gassing the retarded,” was told to “stay out of politics.”

You position on this is the Nazi position.

You do recognize that, don’t you?


56 posted on 03/24/2014 5:33:18 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: piusv

Ravenwolf, I know which post Xone is referring to and you need to know that the Church teaches that ALL Scripture is from God.


I have no problem with that but our debate has to do with who is responsible for the examination of a person in regards to taking communion

Below is what i wrote to Xone

Here it is again.
1Cor 11
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.
Examine Yourself

27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood[a] of the Lord.

28
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup.

Examine yourself both in 26 and 28

Paul was writing to the leaders of the Church, Let him ( do not forbide him.
It can not be plainer than that.

You examine yourself and i examine myself, as i said, i have examined my self and found myself unworthy so i do not take Communion.


57 posted on 03/24/2014 7:20:22 PM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: ravenwolf
i have examined my self and found myself unworthy so i do not take Communion.

A wise decision. Were you a known unrepentant sinner, your Pastor should bar you from the sacrament.

Over.

Out.

58 posted on 03/24/2014 8:37:44 PM PDT by xone
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To: Arthur McGowan

“That generation did almost NOTHING to oppose abortion”

The Catholic Church stood alone in opposing Roe w. Wade. Last time I checked the American bishops were part of the Catholic Church. As a matter of fact the bishops of 40 years ago where a lot more conservative than Dolan and Wuerl.

And as far as the political affiliation of American Catholic bishops did this 90% tell you how they voted.


59 posted on 03/24/2014 8:44:57 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("To be deep in history is to cease being Protestant" - John Henry Cardinal Newman)
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To: xone

A wise decision. Were you a known unrepentant sinner, your Pastor should bar you from the sacrament.


Yes, i wondered about that myself and then ran across this scripture.

1 cor 11
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

Over but not out.


60 posted on 03/25/2014 2:23:56 AM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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