Skip to comments.Cuomo to Catholics: You’re Not Welcome in NY
Posted on 01/19/2014 6:34:38 PM PST by NYer
I was born in New York State and have lived here for more than 61 years. During that time I have paid plenty in state and local taxes and have served the public in a number of capacities including two terms as Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.
I am also a Catholic and a member of New York’s Conservative Party, have served on the transition teams of governors-elect George Pataki (R) and Andrew Cuomo (D), and have been a member of Cuomo’s Council of Economic and Fiscal Advisors.
Yet despite my public service and the large chunk of my earnings that have gone to support New York’s governmental maze, according to Governor Cuomo, I should move out of the Empire State.
Why? Because I am pro-life, oppose same-sex marriage, and have doubts about Cuomo’s 2013 hastily prepared gun legislation (the SAFE Act) that permits you to buy a gun with a 10-round magazine, but bans using more than seven shots if you need to defend yourself.
Here’s what Cuomo said this past Friday on “The Capital Pressroom,” an Albany radio talk show, about a large segment of NY voters:
Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are right to life, pro-assault weapons, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are and they’re the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because that’s not who New Yorkers are.
In an unguarded moment, Governor Cuomo stated publicly what many on the Left have been privately thinking for years: that pro-life and pro-traditional marriage supporters are Ku Klux Klan-like bigots who should either shut up or get out.
Cuomo has not only written off millions of New York Christians and Jews (among others) as unfit citizens, he has yanked the welcome mat from under half the nation’s population, who, public opinion polls indicate, oppose abortion and same-sex marriage.
As for those who “have no place in the state of New York,” the person at the top of that list must be the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Timothy Dolan. That’s because Dolan has proudly followed in the footsteps of his predecessors who were unabashed defenders of Church teachings in the public square.
For instance, Cardinal Terence Cooke, NYC’s seventh archbishop (1968-1983), whose cause is being promoted for sainthood, publicly fought the passage of the state’s 1970 liberal abortion bill. And the week Roe v. Wade was handed down by the Supreme Court, he issued a pastoral letter that was read in every parish condemning abortion as a “fundamental moral evil.” Cooke inaugurated the annual Respect Life week and established “Birth Right,” a service to help pregnant women who choose not to abort their babies.
1977: Andrew Cuomo watches his father concede the New York City mayoral race.
As for “gay rights,” every year Cooke opposed proposed legislation in New York’s City Council that would have amended the administrative code to outlaw discrimination due to “sexual orientation or affectional preference.” You read that right.
A typical statement expressing the Church’s position, released by Cardinal Cooke in April 1978, reads:
If the bill has an underlying purpose, to advocate and gain approval of homosexual behavior and lifestyle, then there is no way in which the Catholic Church in the City of New York may find it acceptable. And there is no way in which we can remain silent on the issue.The Catholic Church’s moral teaching differentiates between “orientation” and “behavior” for both homosexuals and heterosexuals. While a person’s orientation is not subject to moral evaluation, there is no doubt that a person’s behavior is subject to evaluation. Homosexual behavior and an attendant homosexual life style is not in accord with Catholic moral teaching and is, in fact, harmful to all persons who become involved; heterosexuality is the norm for human behavior.
And lest we forget, in the mid-1970s Cooke had an ally in his fight against abortion and gay rights: Mario Cuomo, father of the current governor.
The New York Times reported during Cuomo the Elder’s unsuccessful 1974 primary run for lieutenant governor that he said in a televised debate that “he would have voted against the 1970 law that relaxed abortion curbs in the state.” The New York Daily News and the Post also reported that, in his unsuccessful 1977 run for mayor, Mario said he would veto a gay rights bill “that would give homosexual teachers the right to proselytize or advocate their lifestyle.”
I wonder if Governor Andrew Cuomo, a baptized Catholic and a graduate of Archbishop Molloy High School and Fordham University, will demand that Cooke’s cause for canonization be, well, aborted because the cardinal was an “extremist” for defending the teachings of his Church. Will ask his father, himself a former governor, to leave the state for having politically incorrect thoughts forty years ago?
By claiming that people who disagree with his cultural views “have no place in the state of New York,” Cuomo has joined those whom historian Richard Hofstadter described as “totalitarian liberals,” people who employ illiberal means to achieve so-called liberal reforms.
Cardinal Dolan and the bishops of New York’s other eight dioceses have an obligation to respond and to condemn anyone – especially any Catholic public figure – who threatens those who adhere to Church doctrine.
Chicago’s Cardinal Francis George has predicted that he will die in his bed, his successor will die in prison, and his successor will die a martyr. We may not be quite there yet. But unless Church leaders and others act quickly and forcefully, Catholics and others of traditional moral views may find themselves not simply marginalized, but – if some politicians have their way – facing something very like exile in their own nation.
Catholics to Cuomo: “Take a hike.”
Cuomo self-identifies as a faithful Catholic, and the bishop of Albany and the Archbishop of New York obviously don’t disagree.
How many NY Catholics still vote for these clowns? How many Christians vote for the party that boo God?
I just don’t understand it.
“and have been a member of Cuomos Council of Economic and Fiscal Advisors.”
So why does this so called Catholic have anything to do with a Cuomo?
Certainly the good bishop of Albany and the jolly archbishop of New York will set Coumo straight by lunch time tommorow. I should think.
Or, do they have a sense of humor about these things?
What will it take before the church finally understands that there are times when some who call themselves Catholics are so vile, so filled with hate and evil and even murder, that excommunication is called for?
To just proclaim that the church does not excommunicate anymore, or that such individuals self-excommunicate, are truthfully “cop-outs”, and a betrayal of the laity, that they not know that wolves are permitted to wander amongst them. A shepherd should not do that to his flock.
On a single Sunday, without mention or warning, every Priest in the state should tell his congregation that Cuomo is profane, that Catholics should never again have commerce with him, lest their own souls be imperiled, and that he is among the enemies of the church, who seek its destruction.
Cuomo is a Catholic himself.
NEW YORK, May 16, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) After New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan appeared to suggest during a radio interview this week that he may not view pro-abortion Governor Andrew Cuomo as a Catholic in good standing, the archdiocese has issued a statement saying that this is not the case, and that Dolan’s remark was misunderstood.
Cardinal Dolan would not, and did not, suggest the governor might not be a Catholic in good standing going forward, archdiocesan spokesman Joseph Zwilling said in a statement originally sent to the New York Times, and forwarded to LifeSiteNews.”
Andrew Cuomo: Who are they? Are they these extreme conservatives who are right to life, pro-assault weapons, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if thats who they are and theyre the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York because thats not who New Yorkers are.Thanks NYer.
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Is Cuomo living in a self-deceptive fantasy world where liberals like him believe that their opinions reflect majority voter opinion? The reason that I ask is that I cannot see Cuomo pushing a voter referendum to decide issues like abortion for example. Or have NYers approved leftist issues like abortion through referendums?
Catholic priests or Bishops cannot mention any candidate by name. They can speak to issues, but not endorse or lack to endorse a candidate. Otherwise they lose their tax-free status. It’s true of all churches, though, not just the Catholic ones.
It was tough for him to be a bigger jerk than his father, but he did it.
As opposed to those other kinds of liberals... uh... wait a minute...
When Paul Castellano , a big Mafia boss was murdered in 1985 by rival mobsters, Cardinal O’Connor denied him a Catholic burial and entombment in a Catholic cemetery due to his open, unrepentant criminal life. Cardinal Dolan needs to do some serious thinking and reflection.
Cuomo is a Democrat and that’s how they think. Vote them out, vote them all out!
Here to contact the nut:
Here is the thread from last few days:
Notice the date of the exchange was last year. Cuomo’s statements, at that time, were mild by comparison to what he said this past Friday. Yet ... I have scoured the news links and fin absolutely nothing from Dolan since Friday. His silence is deafening. The old “slap on the back, wink & nod, happy go lucky” attitude will not cut it this time. He is a serious disappointment as archbishop.
We are attacking him left and right, He is doing a mea culpa and we are not backing down. Face book has exploded.
The date of that article was months ago, we have generations of this.
The leading Catholic figures in America are almost all like Cuomo and are leaders in the political party of most Catholics, did he actually single out Catholics as not welcome in NY?
I have to assume the "good bishop of Albany" has a sense of humor:
Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard says it is "unfair and imprudent" to conclude that Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, shouldn't receive Communion simply because they're living together.
-- from the thread Bishop: None of your business (Hubbard rejects Catholic expert's criticism of Gov. Cuomo)
Here is a tweet from the actress Heaton
#Cuomo supports killing viable babies, exploiting poor women - still takes communion. #Gosnell #Carhart #Karpen #Brigham #Riley #Seletz
Patricia Heaton (@PatriciaHeaton) June 04, 2013
Perhaps this is the (new) face of the Catholic Church...If it is not, shouldn't take long for your pope to renounce this guy...
And yet the RINOS on our team try to reach out and find common ground with these lefty idiots. When will they figure out that the Dems want to take out every last one of us who is a non-liberal. They don’t want to find consensus with us. They want to destroy us!
Unfortunately, it's not a fantasy. Do you happen to recall the last two presidential elections?
‘By claiming that people who disagree with his cultural views have no place in the state of New York, Cuomo has joined those whom historian Richard Hofstadter described as totalitarian liberals, people who employ illiberal means to achieve so-called liberal reforms.’
Add Nancy Pelosi, pundit Chris Matthews, Sen. Richard Durbin, SOS John Kerry, and all of the ‘Catholic’ members of the Democrat caucus to that list of people that no Catholic concerned about his soul should associate with.
That doesn't seem to be the rule for black churches that often turn their pulpits over to Dem candidates.
You’re not alone.
Die Conservatives sind unser Ungluck. Conservatives ‘raus.
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There is a basic "apples and oranges" problem in comparing wider 10th Amendment-protect state power issues with the issues concerning the much narrower powers that the states have delegated to the feds via the Constitution. More specifically, many low-information citizens do not understand the federal government's constitutionally limited powers. Consequently, such citizens do not understand that the federal government has no constitutional authority to address state power issues like public healthcare, abortion, gay marriage, etc..
In other words, the corrupt media helped to get Obama elected and reelected on promises, particularly "free" healthcare, which the federal government actually has no constitutional authority to address.
It'd be great if they and the Pope took Catholic politicians like Couomo and excommunicated them, for starters.
Must feel that it cause more trouble than it's worth, but I cant figure out how they draw that conclusion.
Judgement BEGINS at the pulpit.
(meaning those that DECEIVE their flock will be the first to feel our Father’s wrath.)
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Cuomo just unveiled his new ( "New York State Theme Song" ) for all pro-life Catholics, other pro-lifers, and anyone else who does not agree with Cuomo about anything.
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And here is "Dolan's usual 'Hail fellow well met' response to Cuomo".
Mr. Marlin is most welcome here in the Lone Star state where all Christians who are conservative are welcome.
Come on down sir, the weather is nice and there are no state income taxes.
BTW, great article. Conservative Catholics should be moving in droves to southern red states where your vote will count.
No but Cuomo and both parties voted in sodomite “marriage.” This was one of the few states that arrived at sodomite “marriage” by state representation. THAT is liberal. Even Californication required judicial fiat to overturn Prop 8.
Cardinal Francis George is absolutely correct..........the Catholic Church is under assault AND adherents to the Faith WILL be IMPRISONED AND MARTYRED in this COUNTRY!!
(Cackle) when he got into the WH----Boobamba yelled "olly, olly, octen free---come out, come out wherever you are."
Every weirdo, and his mentally challenged cousin, tripped over themselves to come out of their little liberal man caves.
Cuomo's just another Loony Tune that found his inner moron, thanks to Boobamba.
The stunted growth of these "political (cough) visionaries" extends from A all the way to B.