And without any judgement!
Posted on 01/16/2014 2:11:33 PM PST by NYer
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Whatever you say
Actually Salvation, Al Gore won the Catholic vote.
As an incumbent at time of war, Bush won 52% of the catholic vote in 2004, he won 56% of the Protestant Hispanic vote.
After the Catholics supporting Gore in 2000, Bush won 52% of the catholic vote in 2004, and you want to trumpet that as changing the reality of the Catholic vote?
The pro-life party naturally lost the Catholic vote in 2008, and 2012.
You can label the majority of the Catholic denomination as you wish.
The fact is that the Catholic vote is a majority, liberal, pro-abortion democrat vote.
Does it mean a non Catholic Christian person?
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Yeah, basically.
I was in a thread like this one once upon a time, and I stated for the record that Catholics are not Evangelicals. There was one Catholic who took exception to this and had all sorts of canons or whatever for back-up.
An Evangelical Christian is one who takes the Great Commission seriously. Who makes an effort to share the Gospel. Who invites others to church. Who can study with others to help lead them to Christ.
I’m sure if you ask 10 people (Evangelicals or Catholics) how to define and describe evangelicals; you’ll get 12 answers.
Bottom line: Catholics are not Evangelicals.
Ummm, show me the numbers that support that statement.
Also, please look at who makes up the bulk of the March for Life.
There are many people who are culturally religious, though act against the teachings of said religion.
I suggest you are painting with a very broad brush.
I guess you haven’t heard of the “New Evangelization.” Blessed Pope John Paul II wrote about it in 2000?
The term “new evangelisation” was popularised by Pope John Paul II with reference to efforts to reawaken the faith in traditionally Christian parts of the world, particularly Europe, first “evangelised”, or converted to Christianity, many centuries earlier, but then standing in need of a “new evangelisation”.
It is so important, that Pope Benedict XVI set up a special Vatican organization (Dicastery) whose sole purpose was to promote the New Evangelization.
So, while you may be speaking of your own experience with certain Catholics, your comments are not consistent with what is being taught in parishes around the world.
Here is a recent teaching by Pope Francis on the topic: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html
Really?
You belong to a political forum and you never saw voter data?
Obama for instance, won the Catholic vote in both elections, you missed that?
This isn’t painting with a brush, this is pro-life conservatives recognizing who votes how, and what importing millions more Catholic voters means, it means that we will continue moving left.
In voting, Catholics are counted as Catholics, and Evangelicals as Evangelicals.
Evangelicals vote about 76% to 80% republican.
Can't find the same bogus numbers you used before, huh?
Contraception must really, really, make anti-Catholic propagandists uneasy because right away they want to change the subject.
That is a false accusation, I have never posted anything bogus, especially routine voting data.
Do you think it sounds smart for you to get on a conservative, pro-life, political forum and pretend that we don’t know what the Catholic vote is for presidential elections?
And without any judgement!
When did that begin as regards such a teaching? It used to be taught,
Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9): The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium. Satis Cognitum (# 9): June 29, 1896: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum_en.html
“He willingly submits his judgment on questions the most momentous that can occupy the mind of man-----questions of religion-----to an authority located in Rome.”
“Absolute, immediate, and unfaltering submission to the teaching of God's Church on matters of faith and morals-----this is what all must give..”
“The Vicar of Christ is the Vicar of God; to us the voice of the Pope is the voice of God. This, too, is why Catholics would never dream of calling in question the utterance of a priest in expounding Christian doctrine according to the teaching of the Church;”
“He is as sure of a truth when declared by the Catholic Church as he would be if he saw Jesus Christ standing before him and heard Him declaring it with His Own Divine lips.” —“Henry G. Graham, "What Faith Really Means", (Nihil Obstat:C. SCHUT, S. T.D., Censor Deputatus, Imprimatur: EDM. CANONICUS SURMONT, D.D.,Vicarius Generalis. WESTMONASTERII, Die 30 Septembris, 1914 )]
Therefore Catholics are discouraged from objectively examining evidences in order to ascertain the veracity of Catholic doctrines. Which is frankly cultic .
That then leaves your religion in a heap of trouble... Somewhere between 82 and 98 percent of Catholics support birth control and the vast, vast majority of those support artificial birth control...
That leaves less than 20 percent of Catholics that are faithful, in your eyes...Does that number sound reasonable???
But they count Catholics who never or rarely attend mass. If you break it down to the ones going to mass regularly, they tend to vote GOP or third party. However, I agree (as a regular Catholic church-goer)there are wayyy too many lay, nuns and priest Catholics who vote democrat....even Obama! It is disturbing. I know of a priest who supports gay marriage! It is unbelievable!
Do think anyone on such a forum should be subjected to a invalid generalizations that don't hold up and when questioned are never defended with anything other than personal attacks?
Do you think readers of such a forum are so stupid they don't know that the "Catholic vote" is concentrated in a few States and all but insignificant in the majority of States which means that the "Catholic vote" has far less impact on the Electoral vote total than the Evangelical black vote or the Methodist vote, both of which are significant in a great many States?
I think it's an insult to the participants on conservative pro-life forum to have a discussion about mass murder with contraceptives twisted into a discussion about Presidential or other elections by some idiot savant that responds to anything from an Athletes Foot article to an article about Contraception with the same bogus claims, claims that breakdown on close inspection.
John Wesley warned, "Those sins that dishonor the body are very displeasing to God, and the evidence of vile affections. Observe, the thing which he [Onan] did displeased the Lord—and it is to be feared; thousands, especially of single persons, by this very thing, still displease the Lord, and destroy their own souls." (These passages are quoted in Charles D. Provan, The Bible and Birth Control, which contains many quotes by historic Protestant figures who recognize contraception’s evils.)
Likewise on women preachers: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Commentaries.html
Talk about nonsense, the Catholic vote is listed in every presidential election vote.
For instance in 2008 we know that Catholics went for Obama by 54% to 45% for McCain, according to Pew research, we know that the Catholic vote even went for Obama in 2012, this tells us how members of the Catholic denomination vote.
We know how Catholics vote, and we know that we are importing them by the millions.
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