Posted on 01/16/2014 2:11:33 PM PST by NYer
If they vote that way they are only CINOs.
Evangel=Gospel
It is a weekly cycle. Contraception has replaced the Apocrypha and the council of Trent as a weekly topic. What is it called when you accuse one person in another family of doing something that is going on in your own house? I forget the word...
You can label the majority of the Catholic denomination as you wish.
The fact is that the Catholic vote is a majority, liberal, pro-abortion democrat vote.
That I know that, what is an evangelical?
It is a relatively new term, where did it come from?
Was that the person who was called charismatic Christians, is it just a new word for that?
Did liberal so called Christians use the word to separate them from Christians?
Does it mean a non Catholic Christian person?
I recall a time, not that long ago, when you went to the town pound to purchase a mixed breed dog for a few dollars donation. The pound is now an Animal Shelter and the fees have rocketed through the roof (2 years ago, I coughed up $120 to adopt an abandoned 5 y/o basset hound). Meanwhile, it's okay ... even desirable ... to abort a living child but not okay to hurt an animal. I wonder how PETA or the ASPCA would react if someone brought their pregnant dog to the shelter to terminate its unborn pups.
Of course the teachings are intended to lead folks in the right direction and I happen to agree with them ('I is Evangelical too'). However, you are 'rolling up' the teachings (or at least Crisis is) and poking others not in your 'house' with them. First take the beam out of your eye Crisis magazine before the speck in others. As Alex and others point out in the statistics.
The assertion being: "the Roman Catholic church is right on contraception, therefore she is right on all matters."
We get it and it is correct, have large families and teach this to the young early and all the dangers of artificial contraceptives. Most will thank us for doing so.
Interesting and a good story. It was my good Roman Catholic friend who laid out the dangers of chemical contraceptives (we were not using them but the convo came up because of a marriage encounter weekend he went on) to me. Frankly I never knew all those gory details and the relation to abortion.
He quickly went out and got a vasectomy. I guess they did not mention that on the marriage encounter weekend.
Few realize that up until 1930, all Protestant denominations agreed with the Catholic Church’s teaching condemning contraception as sinful. At its 1930 Lambeth Conference, the Anglican church, swayed by growing social pressure, announced that contraception would be allowed in some circumstances. Soon the Anglican church completely caved in, allowing contraception across the board. Since then, all other Protestant denominations have followed suit. Today, the Catholic Church alone proclaims the historic Christian position on contraception.
Contraception is wrong because it’s a deliberate violation of the design God built into the human race, often referred to as "natural law." The natural law purpose of sex is procreation. The pleasure that sexual intercourse provides is an additional blessing from God, intended to offer the possibility of new life while strengthening the bond of intimacy, respect, and love between husband and wife. The loving environment this bond creates is the perfect setting for nurturing children.
The Bible mentions at least one form of contraception specifically and condemns it. Coitus interruptus, was used by Onan to avoid fulfilling his duty according to the ancient Jewish law of fathering children for one’s dead brother. "Judah said to Onan, ‘Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.’ But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother. And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he slew him also" (Gen. 38:8–10).
The biblical penalty for not giving your brother’s widow children was public humiliation, not death (Deut. 25:7–10). But Onan received death as punishment for his crime. This means his crime was more than simply not fulfilling the duty of a brother-in-law. He lost his life because he violated natural law, as Jewish and Christian commentators have always understood. For this reason, certain forms of contraception have historically been known as "Onanism," after the man who practiced it, just as homosexuality has historically been known as "Sodomy," after the men of Sodom, who practiced that vice (cf. Gen. 19).
Contraception was so far outside the biblical mindset and so obviously wrong that it did not need the frequent condemnations other sins did. Scripture condemns the practice when it mentions it. Once a moral principle has been established in the Bible, every possible application of it need not be mentioned. For example, the general principle that theft is wrong was clearly established in Scripture; but there’s no need to provide an exhaustive list of every kind of theft. Similarly, since the principle that contraception is wrong has been established by being condemned when it’s mentioned in the Bible, every particular form of contraception does not need to be dealt with in Scripture in order for us to see that it is condemned.
The biblical teaching that birth control is wrong is found even more explicitly among the Church Fathers, who recognized the biblical and natural law principles underlying the condemnation.
In A.D. 195, Clement of Alexandria wrote, "Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted" (The Instructor of Children 2:10:91:2).
The apostolic tradition’s condemnation of contraception is so great that it was followed by Protestants until 1930 and was upheld by all key Protestant Reformers. Martin Luther said, "[T]he exceedingly foul deed of Onan, the basest of wretches . . . is a most disgraceful sin. It is far more atrocious than incest and adultery. We call it unchastity, yes, a sodomitic sin. For Onan goes in to her; that is, he lies with her and copulates, and when it comes to the point of insemination, spills the semen, lest the woman conceive. Surely at such a time the order of nature established by God in procreation should be followed. Accordingly, it was a most disgraceful crime. . . . Consequently, he deserved to be killed by God. He committed an evil deed. Therefore, God punished him."
John Calvin said, "The voluntary spilling of semen outside of intercourse between man and woman is a monstrous thing. Deliberately to withdraw from coitus in order that semen may fall on the ground is doubly monstrous. For this is to extinguish the hope of the race and to kill before he is born the hoped-for offspring."
John Wesley warned, "Those sins that dishonor the body are very displeasing to God, and the evidence of vile affections. Observe, the thing which he [Onan] did displeased the Lord—and it is to be feared; thousands, especially of single persons, by this very thing, still displease the Lord, and destroy their own souls." (These passages are quoted in Charles D. Provan, The Bible and Birth Control, which contains many quotes by historic Protestant figures who recognize contraception’s evils.)
See my post #29.
Please note I said Catholic, not CINO’s
Catholics vote pro abortion consistently by 50% or so.
They do not know their faith, and they are culturally catholic.
Geo. Weigel says the demographic is not Catholic, who simply don’t vote in a bloc, it is religiously observant people.
Catholics who practice their faith, speak openly and of the same mind when it comes to abortion and it’s parent, birth control. They know it is against God, or, evil.
So, a break, s’il vous plait.
I agree. However, just as with any church, you don't know who is doing what outside of the pew. Even more pronounced in large churches. Frankly it is none of our business until it becomes the business of the assembly. Should we point fingers at families with one or two kids? 3? Where do we stop before we start "guessing" if someone is using the pill? Or if someone is using NFP as well? We don't know (I don't want to know) and really don't know if a couple is struggling and trying to have kids and only squeeze out a couple of 'pups' in their child bearing years.
No, Catholics vote against the GOP in almost every election and always have.
The left depends on the Catholic voter, and imports Catholics by the millions.
Yep Catholic voters, it is something that conservatives do not want to see more of.
Ditto for me. Show me in the Bible where it is named as a sin. The thing about Onan was about not fulfilling his filial duty under the Law, not about "spilling his seed on the ground".
Fixed it for you, try paying attention this time.
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