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Indoctrinating Religious Warriors (GOP who put faith over science embarrassing Charles)
The New York Times ^ | January 3, 2014 | Charles Blow

Posted on 01/04/2014 1:56:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In 2009, the gap between the share of Republicans and Democrats who believed in evolution was just 10 percentage points, 54 percent and 64 percent, respectively.

Last year, that gap widened to a whopping 24 points because as the percentage of Democrats who believed in evolution inched up to 67 percent, the percentage of Republicans believing so plummeted to 43 percent. Now, more Republicans believe that “humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time” than believe in evolution.

This sad news comes via a survey released this week by the Pew Research Center’s Religion & Public Life Project.

In fact, this isn’t only sad; it’s embarrassing.

I don’t personally have a problem with religious faith, even in the extreme, as long as it doesn’t supersede science and it’s not used to impose outdated mores on others.

But some people see our extreme religiosity itself as a form of dysfunction....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: 2014electionbias; blow; charlesblow; christians; dnctalkingpoints; drivebyjournalism; evolution; goebbelswouldbeproud; gotchaquestion; homosexualagenda; pewresearchcenter; pushpoll; science; yellowjournalism; zogbyism

1 posted on 01/04/2014 1:56:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is like Milhouse tagging Bart Simpson.

It is indeed embarrassing.

The depth of ignorance is stupefying, starting with “well, it is ‘just’ a theory” — indicating to one and all total ignorance of what a Scientific Theory is.

It just goes downhill from there.

It is a distraction to have to explain to liberals that many Conservatives understand TToE.


2 posted on 01/04/2014 2:01:53 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m pretty sure that the way the country has gone since 2008 has convinced a lot of Republicans that DemocRATS had to have “evolved” from chimpanzees and apes. How else can you explain it?


3 posted on 01/04/2014 2:04:00 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The Truth Is Out There. Just don't let anyone know that you're looking for it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Charles blows.


4 posted on 01/04/2014 2:04:08 PM PST by skeeter
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To: freedumb2003

A) Charles Darwin was the embarrassing black sheep of his family and (B) he died a devout Methodist.


5 posted on 01/04/2014 2:04:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Old Charlie stole the handle and
The train won’t stop going —
No way to slow down.”


6 posted on 01/04/2014 2:04:39 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: skeeter

Literally. He’s been out for years.


7 posted on 01/04/2014 2:04:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sad news indeed!

|sarc|


8 posted on 01/04/2014 2:05:55 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is much religion masquerading as science on the Left. A few examples:
- Climate “science” unlike conventional science is “settled”.
- Affirmative Action “works”.
- Head Start and other government preschool programs “work”.
- Feminism denies biological differences to achieve political ends.


9 posted on 01/04/2014 2:06:39 PM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There it is again. “some people see our extreme religiosity itself as a form of dysfunction”. What the hell do I care about what “some people” think!


10 posted on 01/04/2014 2:07:30 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What we are seeing is devolution.


11 posted on 01/04/2014 2:08:38 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; GeronL

Ask Barack Obaam at the next presser if he believes that God created the Universe. Followup question, if God did NOT create the Universe, did God(s) spring forth from the Big Bang, was God surprised by that “weird thing that happened just now”, or does God “not exist”?

Push back on these ill-framed gotcha questions that ONLY the GOP candidates have to answer during Democrat moderated debates.

Expose the phony “Christian” for the secular/atheist/humanist he actually is.


12 posted on 01/04/2014 2:09:31 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: a fool in paradise

I agree.

Note. Be careful putting Christian in quotes, I got attacked on another thread recently.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3107702/posts?q=1&;page=1#1


13 posted on 01/04/2014 2:12:14 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: a fool in paradise

Who are you going to get to ask those questions? No one accredited to the White House would think of asking anything approaching those questions of this man. A Republican? Sure, but a “black” man? Never.


14 posted on 01/04/2014 2:20:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes 23% of republicans falling for the massively funded propaganda camouflaged as science evolution hoax is sad and embarrassing. We should stick to real science like global warming and life originating from crystals traveling from an unknown origin.


15 posted on 01/04/2014 2:21:31 PM PST by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You want to see devolution?

PIV is always rape, ok?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/3108209/posts


16 posted on 01/04/2014 2:21:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Democrats are a great example of devolution!


17 posted on 01/04/2014 2:21:59 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Zeneta

Nothing about the President’s speeches, writings, answers, or body movements hints at an understanding of Christian beliefs.

He couldn’t even make the sign of the cross properly. His handlers have lied and said he was raised as a Christian when there is simply no evidence for it (2 muslim fathers, agnostic mother, Unitarian grandparents, no baptism) and by his own words he elevated himself above lifelong Christians saying that he came to Jesus later in life without his parents (it was the former muslim and continued anti-American racist Jeremiah Wright who “brought him to Jesus”).

He has covered crosses, removed references to God in American historical documents and quoted speeches, he has patted himself on the back singing the praises of Islam, muslims, and the “holy” koran. It is the text of a deceiver if you are a Christian. Nothing “holy” about it.


18 posted on 01/04/2014 2:22:23 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: a fool in paradise

Nothing about the President’s speeches, writings, answers, or body movements hints at an understanding of Christian beliefs.


Outstanding observations Fool in Paradise. All true and all ignored by the MSM. But Christians notice these things. Obama is no Christian and never has been.


19 posted on 01/04/2014 2:28:59 PM PST by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: jimfree

You left out the liberal belief that people are “born gay.” As has been pointed out by various people, the idea that people are born gay makes no sense from an evolutionary perspective, which is all about survival of the fittest, how a species adapts and changes in order to perpetuate itself. The idea that something happened that affected the person’s psychosexual development (which is what the mental health establishment used to believe) makes a lot more sense from an evolutionary perspective.


20 posted on 01/04/2014 3:52:00 PM PST by joseph2 (One More)
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To: joseph2

Thanks J2. Dr. Laura a few years back was forced to apologize for labeling homosexuality what it is, a “biological error”.


21 posted on 01/04/2014 3:58:12 PM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: freedumb2003

Frankly, it’s a bigger distraction trying to explain to anyone (democrat or republican) the stupidity of being an atheist........


22 posted on 01/04/2014 4:02:33 PM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Leftists also put faith in socialism over science.

When have leftists been pro-science? They deny that a baby in the womb is a human baby, you cannot get more anti-science than that


23 posted on 01/04/2014 4:12:56 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Lakeshark

>>Frankly, it’s a bigger distraction trying to explain to anyone (democrat or republican) the stupidity of being an atheist........<<

Not sure how that applies to the subject at hand.


24 posted on 01/04/2014 4:49:30 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: freedumb2003
Not sure how that applies to the subject at hand.

You commented how distracting (and embarrassing) it was to have to explain to liberals that "many conservatives understand" evolution. Might I suggest that was a bit condescending.

My comment to you stands as a common sense response to any conservative:

Frankly, it’s a bigger distraction trying to explain to anyone (democrat or republican) the stupidity of being an atheist......

That you took offense is a bit mystifying.

25 posted on 01/04/2014 9:04:55 PM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder what people understand by “believe” in these polls. My belief in God isn’t the same as my belief in any science. I suppose evolution is “true” enough but it wouldn’t surprise me if next week Scientist found a new discovery that turned evolution on its head.
People are used to hearing about something they once thought was true from Doctors and Scientists later turning out to be false…does that mean they “believe” the new information?

Having a 100 percent unwavering belief in any scientific theory probably seems silly to most people seeing all the times some theory has been replaced by a new theory.


26 posted on 01/05/2014 7:11:48 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Lakeshark

>>You commented how distracting (and embarrassing) it was to have to explain to liberals that “many conservatives understand” evolution. Might I suggest that was a bit condescending.<<

It is a fact and a problem. That constant issue undermines the substantial arguments to be made against liberalism and liberals.

>>That you took offense is a bit mystifying.<<

No offense taken. More like pointing out a non sequiter. *shrug*


27 posted on 01/05/2014 9:12:07 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: freedumb2003
That constant issue undermines the substantial arguments to be made against liberalism and liberals

Really? If so you must either be someone who cares too much about your so called image, or someone who can't actually communicate very well.

And you are CLEARLY somehow offended, which is a bit humorous.

28 posted on 01/05/2014 9:20:34 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: Lakeshark

>>Really? If so you must either be someone who cares too much about your so called image, or someone who can’t actually communicate very well.<<

Now who is offended?

>>And you are CLEARLY somehow offended, which is a bit humorous.<<

Not really. I am just curious why you are so emphatic, though. But I do also find your sputtering funny.


29 posted on 01/05/2014 9:22:03 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: freedumb2003
Nice try in moving the goal posts.

Good job in not confronting your own issues of incompetence.

You'd make a great lib, you obviously can't deal with them (or from the manner of this conversation, anyone) very well.......

30 posted on 01/05/2014 9:25:17 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: Lakeshark

I see I hit a nerve (no surprise).

LOL.

Happy New Year and goodbye.


31 posted on 01/05/2014 9:36:43 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: freedumb2003
Getting another poster to respond to a very stupid post is not hard here, and your initial post was just that......stupid, so I responded in a fairly mild way.

That you can't handle the original very gentle critique I gave you, that you needed to keep escalating, tells us a lot more about you than anything else.

And yes, Happy New Year, just try to keep your posts from edging toward the moronic from now on and you won't get chided as you were.......

32 posted on 01/05/2014 12:12:48 PM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: Lakeshark

lol


33 posted on 01/05/2014 12:54:55 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: freedumb2003

Yep, you shoulda left it at that......


34 posted on 01/05/2014 2:18:11 PM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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