THE (Catholic) BISHOPS AND OBAMACARE

They seem like they have never been confronted by any serious criticism --- by any alternative way of looking at things --- even by any point of view other than their own prejudices and reflexes --- since seminary days.

They seem blinky-eyed surprised that anybody could possible disagree. I remember when Sean O'Malley expressed sheer incredulity and incomprehension that anybody saw anything wrong with the brocade-encrusted, incense-reeking, Mob-Boss-Magnificent funeral for Ted Kennedy.

Do they have keepers that keep them in bubbles?

The Bishops at first did come out against Obamacare because of the threatening of life within it. I had a long list of links which I lost with a hard drive crash and the loss of my backup documents on my old computer.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?SX=529e530703e43d3ff1ade92869c8c1db5e14083a;m=all;o=time;q=deep;s=bishops%20obamacare;t=-1

THE (Catholic) BISHOPS AND OBAMACARE
Catholic Bishops: We Will Not Give Up on Stopping the Obamacare HHS Mandate
Catholic bishops exhort faithful to oppose Obamacare in a Sunday message
The Coming Persecution (a priest's projection on what is to come if Obama re-elected)
The HHS Mandate: Cardinal George and the Bishops Are Fighting the Last War (Excellent Analysis)
Cardinal Dolan indicates possible legal actions; rebuffs "cave-in" Catholics
From Cardinal Dolan: “We Have to be Realistic and Prepare for Tough Times…”

Biden: We 'Screwed up' Contraception Mandate
Priest To Planned Parenthood: ‘Here Comes The Catholic Church’
The Catholic Diaspora and the Tragedy of Liberal Catholicism
A sermon explaining what Pres. Obama is doing.
Holder: 1st Amendment Allows Gov't to Force Catholics to Buy Sterilizat-Contracept-Abortn Insurance
Sebelius Excludes Bishops From Obamacare Mandate Compromise Talks
On "Things Not Subject to Human Government"
Church Could Be Forced To 'Give Up' Public Work, Cardinal George Warns
Cardinal George: No Catholic Hospitals in 2 Years Unless HHS Mandate is Rescinded
The Way Freedom of Religion Should Work
Religious Liberty Homily
Obama Faces More Lawsuits Over Pro-Abortion HHS Mandate
Pope Benedict Defends Religious Liberty
The Sisters and Universal Health Care: Forgetting What Religion Is
Time Magazine Op-Ed: Perhaps “Some Time in Jail” for Catholic Bishops Defending Religious Liberty
Baptist College Sues Over Contraceptive Mandate
Government Assault May Have Just Begun, Cardinal Dolan Warns
Responding to Your Questions for MORE! (Eblast from Grace Before Meals priest)
Catholic CEO calls mandate compromise 'divide and conquer' strategy

Catholic Bishop's Prez: Our Rights Don’t Depend on Obama
Obama's defense of religion {Mega BARF-Alert - talk about spin...}
Contraception and the Culture War [Deepening Catholic-Evangelical Relationship]
Cardinal Timothy Dolan issues strongest statement yet against the HHS mandate
Clergy Declare State of Emergency for Churches Over Obama Demands
Father, We're Ready for that Homily on Contraception Now
Contraception, Against Conscience [Why EWTN Will Not Comply With Obama's Mandate]
Bishops Decry Obama birth Control Plan, Yet Catholic Hospitals Report Sterilizations
The Catholic Betrayal of Religious Freedom
Obama Responds to Belmont Abbey Lawsuit. Epic Fail.
Catholic Charities Insists it has not Endorsed HHS Mandate
Chaput emerging as a warrior-bishop
Archbishop Chaput: It’s not a ‘compromise,’ and it needs to be rescinded
Pro-Abortion Fingerprints on HHS Mandate
Dem (Congressman) Scolds Bishop (at House Oversight hearin)
Evangelicals & Catholics Together: In Defense of Religious Freedom (vs. Islam, Secularism)
Catholic priest, pro-life activists arrested outside White House protesting Obama mandate
Obama Contradicted: HHS Banned Consideration of ‘Cost Effectiveness’ in Developing Contraception
BREAKING: Every Single Bishop Has Condemned the Obama/HHS Mandate!
Pro-life nuns: We’re not exempt - Obama mandate would force us ‘to pay for abortion-inducing drugs’

Contraception ruling: Democrats accuse clergy of complicity with GOP at hearing
Catholic League on Sebelius’s admission before a Senate committee
Voris: Obama Able to Neutralize Catholic Resistance Thanks to Bishops’ Past Complicity
Abortion, Contraception and the Church Fathers (Catholic teaching unchanged for 2000 yrs)
Head of U.S. bishops: Obama compromise on mandate ‘a hill of beans’; opposition intensifies
USCCB President: 'Harder and Harder' to Accept Obama's Word
White House Criticizes Bishops, Trumpets Support from CHA, Catholic Charities
Political Science 101: how the White House snookered the USCCB on the 'compromise'
What Did CHA's Carol Keehan Know and When Did She Know It?
Pope Shares Remarks on American Culture with Bishops; Issues Call to Laity By: Msgr. Charles Pope
USCCB President says Obama offered next to nothing; expresses disappointment with Sr. Keehan
Evangelical Leaders Call for Civil Disobedience Against U.S. Government
Liberal Jews Speak Against HHS Mandate
Top nun who supported Obama mandate thanks pro-choice group in private e-mail
Catholic Health Association collaboration with Obama admin on mandate a ‘scandal’: Catholic leader
Obama's revised HHS mandate won't solve problems, USCCB president says
Fr. Frank Pavone: No compromise - the mandate has to go, period
Time To Admit It: The Church Has Always Been Right On Birth Control
Culture with Local Bishops and Issues a Call to the Laity [Ecumenical]
Bishops Reject Obama's 'Accommodation' - President's political hemorrhaging to continue.

HHS Mandate - Nothing Has Changed (Donald Cardinal Weurl)
Obama Chief of Staff: New Pro-Abortion Mandate Here to Stay
WH: We Are Done Negotiating With Catholics
Opponents launch new White House petition rejecting Obama rewrite of birth control mandate
Did the Leaders of the Catholic Church Make a Deal with the Redistributionist Devil?
Archbishop Chaput: HHS mandate insulting and dangerous
Cardinal-Designate Dolan no longer trusts Obama
American Catholicism’s Pact With the Devil
Notre Dame Faculty to Obama: ‘This Is a Grave Violation of Religious Freedom and Cannot Stand’
White House: No More Compromise on Contraception
Obama's anti-religious implosion
Lew: Obama's latest stance on birth-control mandate final, puts issue to rest (CAPTION)
Pat Buchanan: 'Obama is trampling on God's turf' (Video)
W.H. official: Contraceptive rule stands
Obama chief of staff: No more compromise, contraceptive rule is done deal
Bishops Reject White House’s New Plan on Contraception (Obama continues his "War On Religion")
Faith/Pro-Life Leaders to Challenge Mandate by Praying and Risking Arrest in Front of the WH
Catholic Bishops: Don't Revise, Rescind
Obama's contempt for the Constitution
How the Catholic Church Became Cool Overnight

Chuck Colson Reacts to Obama’s “Compromise” on Required Abortion Care for Church Employees
US Bishops: Obama's 'Compromise' Has No Clear Protection...(Needless Government Intrusion)
Protests Continue Over Insurance for Contraception, Abortifacients (Feds Under Increasing Pressure
Bishops to Obama: No dice
Paul VI: “danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities ...”
Michael Moore Goes On Anti-Catholic Twitter Rant, Distorts Contraception Debate
Religious controversy burns Obama again (the rookie Hussein is in WAY over his pay grade)
Another Catholic college vows it will ‘not violate conscience’ on Obama mandate
Lutherans join chorus of voices slamming HHS contraceptive mandate
The Obama HHS 'Compromise' Switches the Tiger for the Lion (Not all Catholics buying Obama's bull)
Hannity on now with Priests, Pastors and Rabbis. Please watch
EDITORIAL: Obama’s free abortion pills
U.S. bishops ‘express concerns’ about Obama mandate ‘accommodation’
What Compromise? This Policy Leaves Religious Liberty in Peril and Planned Parenthood Smiling (Albert Mohler Opinion)
Bishops Renew Call To Legislative Action On Religious Liberty
Southern Baptist leader: Obama gave Christians ‘the dismissive back’ of his hand
Obama's Act of Tyranny
Bishops Were Prepared for Battle Over Birth Control Coverage
'Accounting gimmick' -- Obama compromise still threatens religious liberty, leaders say
Bishops ‘concerned’ over reworded mandate; other Catholic leaders slam as ‘insult to injury’
Obama Bows to Pressure, but His Religious 'Accommodation' Even Worse

Don't Be Deceived! Evil Obama Policy Now Even MORE Evil!
Obama’s Contraceptive 'Compromise' Doesn't Pass the Smell Test ("It doesn't change a thing")
Compromise or Accommodation, it’s still unacceptable. (updated from Catholic Vote)
Pres. Obama’s “Plan B” compromise, Sr. Keehan, and the Magisterium of Nuns
Land Says Obama Mandate Most Anti-Catholic Government Action in 150 Years
Motive, Means and Opportunity: Obama’s Assault on Catholics
(Exempt Catholics) Joe Biden, Bill Daley warned of contraceptive backlash
(Tim) Thomas makes second political statement (Stands With Catholics)
Southern Baptist leader: If Obama mandate isn’t changed, Christians will go to jail
Over 150 congressional leaders demand repeal of HHS mandate
Boehner vows to overturn Obama’s birth control coverage rule
Boehner: Congress to overturn birth control policy if Obama does not reverse course
O'Brien says Archdiocese of Baltimore won't offer birth control coverage
Archbishop of San Francisco says Obama ruling strikes at religious freedom
How Obama Lost the Catholic Vote
‘I am going to stick with fellow Catholics’ in Pres. Obama’s war on Catholics. Wherein Fr. Z rants.
Unholy War
Six Things Everyone Should Know about the HHS Mandate
Santorum: Obama Hostile to Christians
Understanding Oppostion to the HHS Mandate (Part 1): Why the Church Won’t Pay for Contracept

The Bishops Chickens Coming Home to Roost.
65 Orthodox Church bishops call on Obama to ‘rescind’ the ‘unjust’ contraception mandate
Doug Kmiec Writes Obama: 'Friendship Will Not Permit Me to Disregard Duty to Faith and Country'
Catholic Outcry Over Obama Administration's Birth Control Decision Could Factor In Presidential Race
Standing with the Bishops [Catholic Caucus]
Updated: *167* Bishops (More Than 90% of Dioceses) Have Spoken Out Against Obama/HHS Mandate
Outrage!… Military Tells Chaplains What They Can and Can’t Say About HHS/ObamaAssault on Religion
Updated: *153* Bishops (Over 80% of Dioceses) Have Spoken Out Against Obama/HHS Mandate
An Affront Catholics Agree On [Liberal and Conservative Catholics Against Obama Mandate]
Army Silenced Chaplains Last Sunday
Catholic Military Archdiocese & Chaplains interfered with last Sunday by Pres. Obama’s Admin
The Anti-Catholic President v. the Catholic Bishops
Sen. Rubio introduces bill to reverse Obama birth control mandate
Churches balk at birth control rule - Catholics won’t comply, Bishop Kevin Rhoades says
Protestants and Jews declare to White House: We stand with Catholics
Checking the Air Outside [Bp. Zubik's follow up to Obama's “To Hell with You”]
Mohler [Southern Baptist] Says Insurance Mandate Not Just 'Catholic' Issue
An Open Letter to President Barack Obama Concerning Recent Tyranny (With Pictures!)
Lincoln bishop: prepare for 'suffering' under HHS mandate
Bishop David Zubik confronts Obama
Obama’s ‘war on the church’

Pope hits out at 'radical secularism'
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
Bruskewitz: Fight Insurance Ruling [Sebelius a "bitter, fallen away Catholic"]
Letter from Archbishop John G. Vlazny on the matter of freedom of conscience and decisions by HHS
Bishop Olmsted's Letter to Catholics [Catholic Caucus]
Liberty for the Amish & Quakers but not Catholics. . .
Contraception mandate prompts Peoria bishop to instate St. Michael Prayer (Catholic Caucus)
Phoenix bishop (Olmstead): defy feds on birth control
A letter from Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr concerning HHS edict
Speak honestly: abortion is ‘the killing of tiny human beings in the womb’ – Denver bishop
Bishop [Daniel Jenky] Blasts Secularist Intolerance, Calls For ‘Assertive Action’ to Defend Church
(Pittsburgh Bishop Zubik comments:) HHS delays rule on contraceptive coverage
Dolan: Natural law, not religious preference, dictates all life sacred
Religious leaders blast HHS over contraception mandate
Mandated Contraception, Sterilization: Caesar Demands Church Violate Conscience
OBAMA’S CONTEMPT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY (mandates coverage of sterilization & contraception)
Implications of Obama Admin move to force Cath hospitals to provide contraception and sterilizations
Catholic doctors’ group launches petition against contraception mandate
Contraception mandate tramples religious freedom, US bishops say

When it comes to economics and understanding the mechanisms of government, they are complete imbeciles, unworthy of any given credibility.

A little too subtle for me. What you mean to say about Pius X is ..?

NYer said:

Either the bishops are ignorant of the ramifications of Obamacare on the working class
or they are naive, which I strongly doubt.

The third option is defined in Pius X's apostolic letter, Notre Charge Apostolique.

An example of something discussed there:

…Indeed, the Sillon proposes to raise up and re-educate the working class. But in this respect the principles of Catholic doctrine have been defined, and the history of Christian civilization bears witness to their beneficent fruitfulness. Our Predecessor of happy memory re-affirmed them in masterly documents, and all Catholics dealing with social questions have the duty to study them and to keep them in mind. He taught, among other things, that “Christian Democracy must preserve the diversity of classes which is assuredly the attribute of a soundly constituted State, and it must seek to give human society the form and character which God, its Author, has imparted to it.” Our Predecessor denounced “A certain Democracy which goes so far in wickedness as to place sovereignty in the people and aims at the suppression of classes and their leveling down.” At the same time, Leo XIII laid down for Catholics a program of action, the only program capable of putting society back onto its centuries old Christian basis. But what have the leaders of the Sillon done? Not only have they adopted a program and teaching different from that of Leo XIII (which would be of itself a singularly audacious decision on the part of laymen thus taking up, concurrent with the Sovereign Pontiff, the role of director of social action in the Church); but they have openly rejected the program laid out by Leo XIII, and have adopted another which is diametrically opposed to it. Further, they reject the doctrine recalled by Leo XIII on the essential principles of society; they place authority in the people, or gradually suppress it and strive, as their ideal, to effect the leveling down of the classes. In opposition to Catholic doctrine, therefore, they are proceeding towards a condemned ideal.

It's worth looking at the whole thing.

Note, particularly, that these "Sillonists" are wtihin the Church and attempting to use the Church to contravene established Magisterial teaching..."for the common good."

That, then, is the third option: intentionally disregarding Catholic doctrine in an attempt to create a "more just" society.

sorry...ping to #26

That’s downright scary.

The quote about Bishop’s skulls lining the walls of hell comes to mind.

That’s downright scary.

Pius X was a smart guy, wasn't he?

Is there something in their NSA/FBI/IRS/CIA/DNC files that is causing these guys to make such hideous decisions?

I really hate to say this, but Dolan seems like a real dim bulb. He can't seem to see what everyone else can plainly see -- that the demoncrap party is plainly the enemy of the Catholic Church in America.

Some things wrong with B-O-care that Dolan and many other American Bishops apparently cannot see (other than the first two items) include the following:

HHS abortifacient mandate.
HHS artificial birth control mandate.
B-O-care death panels.
Euthanasia and assisted-suicide.
B-O-care rationed care for senior citizens.
B-O-care rationed care for other citizens (like Sebelius displayed in advance when she didn't want that young girl to get a lung transplant).
Huge price increases for healthcare under B-O-care, which many Americans cannot afford.
People lose their current plan and coverage under B-O-care, contrary to the lies they were told.
The huge number of lies (Commandment-breakers) that B-O and his bunions -- I mean minions -- told in order to try to pass and promote B-O-care.

Here are some other things wrong with B-O and his "accomplishments" which harm the USA and harm the Catholic Church in America (by no means a comprehensive list), but that Dolan and many other American Bishops apparently cannot see either:

Establishment of a pervasively pro-homosexual culture, with "same-sex marriage", gays in the military, etc.
The shutting down in D.C. (and probably elsewhere by now) Catholic adoption agencies, since they cannot place children with homosexual couples.
B-O's and Harry Reid's "immigration reform" rewards illegal behaviors, violates basic fairness and decency by letting illegal, law-breaking aliens acquire American citizenship before all those foreigners seeking American citizenship who actually play by the rules.
B-O's non-stop lying, about just about everything.
B-O-care may end up causing conscientious Catholics to have to close Catholic hospitals, Catholic Colleges and other schools, other Catholic-run businesses, Catholic entities such as EWTN, Ave Maria Radio, (etc.).
Loss of liberties guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution.
Demoncraps using tax dollars in public schools to work to indoctrinate little anti-American atheists, secularists, relativists, and various other miscreants.
Many huge steps backward in the effort to improve racial harmony in America.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, it seems that when Dolan went in to "clean up" the mess Archbishop Rembert Weakland had made in Milwaukee, Dolan set Weakland up (see below) for the rest of his life with a nice, cushy, luxurious lifestyle / living quarters, instead of just telling him to "Hit The Road Jack".

It really seems that Dolan and a number of other American Bishops are dumb-as-a-rock dim bulbs, based on their statements and the decisions they have made about this immoral debacle (both before and after the HHS mandate was made public) and other B-O boondoggle efforts. Such wrong-headed B-O-support (and other pin-headed decisions) may cast light on why some of the USCCB Bishops so badly mishandled the cases of that tiny fraction of priests who violated their solemn vows with their perverted homosexual activities.

Somehow I don't think many Catholics here will ever be cheerleaders for B-O and his evil plans.

(The middle-top picture in post #30 seems to come and go at irregular intervals for some unknown reason, so I'm posting a couple of similar pics from different sites to show what I was trying to say there.) :-)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3097874/posts?page=24#24

By the way, I don’t think Cardinal O’Malley is much better either.

He acts like a socialist. His latest project is re-organizing the churches of the archdiocese into "collaboratives" (headed by hand-picked, unorthodox, effeminate priests while removing and sidelining the orthodox priests from the parishes). He "redistributes" the collection $$ to such worthy causes as the multi-million dollar payroll of his personal staff, consorts with pro-abort Obama fundraisers such as Jack Connors, and funds the neocatechumenal way while stiffing the diocesan priests and the employee pension fund.

That Pope Francis chose him as an advisor who he believes shares a similar vision for the Church could reasonably be viewed as ominous.

Salvation, I saw your list of threads, but I honestly don't have time to read all those threads you listed there right now.

Was there something in my post that you felt was inaccurate or something?

(There is a whole lot more wrong with obamacare than just the HHS mandate, and none of the American Bishops should ever have considered being "cheerleaders" for it, whether that HHS mandate was there or not. The whole B-O-care plan was built on a huge pile of lies, and it is going to hurt so many Americans.)

I have no problem with the concept of universal health care in principle. But there’s a reason both the funniest and most frightening words in the English language are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.”

Thanks.

Thanks. Eye-opening.

What is that thing on his head? Good Lord.

He used to be Archbishop of Milwaukee. It's a cheese head.

Salvation,

I am a loyal daughter of the Church (I wasn’t always, but I try to be so now), and I see all of your links, but most of those are referring to the HHS mandate.

Most of TPTB in the Catholic Church in America were in favor of Obamacare (or something very much like it), because they want everybody to have good health care, and they believe that pushing it through the state is the way to go. I think they are very naïve to think that, but they did. That’s why Dolan is indicating that if things had been different, they would have been “cheerleaders” for Obamacare.

The same thing is going on right now with immigration reform. I get notices from the Florida bishops all the time, asking me to urge my congressmen and senators to back “comprehensive immigration reform”. They are cheerleaders for immigration reform, and again, they think the democrats have a great idea here.

When will they figure it out?