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Is the Pope an enemy of Capitalism? Evangelii Gaudium explains his views
CATHOLIC ONLINE ^ | 12/01/2013

Posted on 12/01/2013 6:43:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Pope Francis has authored his first letter and in it he makes a bold statement Tuesday, calling upon world leaders to fight unrestricted capitalism, which he called "a new tyranny." He also called for moving power away from the Vatican and renew of the Church.

In an 84 page document known as an apostolic exhortation, titled, "Evangelii Gaudium" (The Joy of the Gospel) Pope Francis explained some of his positions on key matters in a very official capacity. Among those positions was a warning that unfettered capitalism was a danger.

For Americans, especially conservatives, this may sound like an ominous sign, but it must be viewed in a Catholic light. Capitalism, if unchecked, enables the wealthy to become increasingly powerful without any substantial net benefit to the balance of society. It promotes a form of inequality in which only the wealthy profit by work and all others merely subsist.

Pope Francis referred to this as "a new tyranny" pointing out concerns that as capitalist movements gain ground, many people are being left behind, shut off from opportunity. Meanwhile, those with access to opportunity and wealth commit "idolatry of money" by doing that which is most profitable without regard for the rest of society.

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1 posted on 12/01/2013 6:43:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The American Thinker summarizes it this way:

Overall, Evangelii Gaudium might be best summed up as a call to the faithful to renew themselves in Christ. And, in general, Pope Francis is saying to the entire world, ‘C’mon people, we can do better; we need to do better!’ It’s almost as if he is saying, ‘with all the intelligence and brainpower in the world today, it’s hard for me to understand why things are getting worse instead of better.’

What Pope Francis might be saying to all of us is that there is an awful lot that needs fixing in this world, and all it starts with each of us fixing ourselves first.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/12/what_the_pope_really_said.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook#ixzz2mEbwtGKE


2 posted on 12/01/2013 6:46:06 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Being against unrestricted capitalism does not mean you’re for socialism. Of course, liberals would like to distort the meaning to this. Capitalism works just fine with regulations in place, which exist in the Constitution, by the way.


3 posted on 12/01/2013 6:49:33 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: SeekAndFind

” Meanwhile, those with access to opportunity and wealth commit “idolatry of money” by doing that which is most profitable without regard for the rest of society.”

So the Pope blasts capitalism, ie the USA, which happens to be the most generous country in the world. Maybe the Pope should look at the ultra luxurious holdings in Vatican city and some of the world’s largest real estate holdings. Would certainly like to hear the church tell lazy slobs who refuse to carry their share of the load and let others support them, to get off their asses and work for a living.


4 posted on 12/01/2013 6:51:59 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: SeekAndFind

Commie talk.


5 posted on 12/01/2013 6:52:37 AM PST by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: kenmcg

RE: So the Pope blasts capitalism

I did not see it that way.

Is Jesus Christ a Marxist when he said :

“What shall it profit a man if he gains the world but loses his soul”?

OR

“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.”

OR

“Beware, and be on your guard against every form of greed; for not even when one has an abundance does his life consist of his possessions.”


6 posted on 12/01/2013 6:57:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: All

I’m sure this thread will be shortly be filled with American Protestants who worship money instead of Christ, blasting the Pope for stating that Capitalism is not above criticism.
I wonder which side is worse? the Fedora wearing libertarians or the commies when it comes to misconstruing the Pope’s words.


7 posted on 12/01/2013 7:04:35 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfettered capitalism means that drugs and prostitution are legal. Therefore I am want to “fetter” some things in my ideal free market. I do think that capitalism should be unfettered when it comes to the sale of moral goods, such as bread, juice, tires, computers, etc.


8 posted on 12/01/2013 7:06:18 AM PST by impimp
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To: escapefromboston

Oh please. It is not as if this flesh being is one more deity. Everybody is a sinner. This church not unlike many others practice communistic tendencies.


9 posted on 12/01/2013 7:09:17 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry to tell you this but the pope and his church have made themselves irrelevant. It’s a dying institution with no influence, led by a bureaucrat who has no voice and still protects the most guilty. Lawyers are picking the bones of the church, deservedly stripping it of its wealth and property.


10 posted on 12/01/2013 7:12:19 AM PST by Rapscallion (The party of the liberal lie have given you Obamacare. Republicans were locked out of the process.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is capitalism greed?

Is the pope also openly condemning the tyranny of Islam and communism?

What provides more freedom for the individual... free, capitalistic markets or government-controlled markets?

Does the pope care about individual freedom?


11 posted on 12/01/2013 7:14:19 AM PST by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Just mythoughts

The pope isn’t God but neither is the Free Market. Christ didn’t die to give us free markets.
Capitalism may or may not be the best economic system we have come up with but , it is not above criticism despite what people here may think.


12 posted on 12/01/2013 7:20:40 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Third Person
From the EG, the pope on Islam:

253. In order to sustain dialogue with Islam, suitable training is essential for all involved, not only so that they can be solidly and joyfully grounded in their own identity, but so that they can also acknowledge the values of others, appreciate the concerns underlying their demands and shed light on shared beliefs. We Christians should embrace with affection and respect Muslim immigrants to our countries in the same way that we hope and ask to be received and respected in countries of Islamic tradition. I ask and I humbly entreat those countries to grant Christians freedom to worship and to practice their faith, in light of the freedom which followers of Islam enjoy in Western countries! Faced with disconcerting episodes of violent fundamentalism, our respect for true followers of Islam should lead us to avoid hateful generalisations, for authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.

13 posted on 12/01/2013 7:21:20 AM PST by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Third Person

Social justice talk. It’s the new and improved communism.


14 posted on 12/01/2013 7:23:28 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just a thought...Early Church..Ananias and Sapphira... what’s that tell us? Really, what is the True Christian Church.


15 posted on 12/01/2013 7:24:13 AM PST by rusureitflies?
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To: escapefromboston; SeekAndFind

Take a look at John 21:17 and see who Christ is talking to when he says “Feed my sheep”. Hint: It’s not Pontius Pilate.

Yes, Christ warns and commands the Christian against avarice in the pursuit of wealth. But neither does He condemn those who have obtained it. He commands the Church and the individual Christian to help the less fortunate, but He does not place that mandate in the hands of any government, as Francis seems to do.

For the record: I am a Protestant, and not a ‘buck a week’ giver, either.


16 posted on 12/01/2013 7:29:24 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: SeekAndFind; escapefromboston; impimp
...the Pope blasts capitalism  I did not see it that way. Is Jesus Christ a Marxist when

misconstruing the Pope’s words.

First we need to let the Pope speak for himself, and the Evangelii Gaudium, Apostolic Exhortation of Pope Francis, 2013 never mentioned 'capitalism'.  In fact, it was actually pretty bland.  Sure, it had stuff like--

...I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”...

--and --

..The great danger in today’s world, pervaded as it is by consumerism, is the desolation and anguish born of a complacent yet covetous heart, the feverish pursuit of frivolous pleasures, and a blunted conscience. Whenever our interior life becomes caught up in its own interests and concerns, there is no longer room for others, no place for the poor...

--but the real problem with the Pope's exhortation was in with all that was left out. Like the poor need to sober up, get a bath, and start working for a living like the rest of us.  

Reality is that there are more poor than rich, but the Pope was telling the rich what to do.  Supposedly. My fear is that what was really going on was that he was telling the poor that if they were envious of what the rich had then it was the rich that were 'covetous' not them.  Furthermore if the poor want to steal from the rich it was OK because the goodies all belonged to the poor anyway.

The Pope is supposed to be a leader, but instead he appears to be just  a follower of a covetous thieving mob.

17 posted on 12/01/2013 7:29:43 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: SeekAndFind

The pope is a hypocrite-
do as I say, not as I do

The Vatican Bank more than quadrupled its profit last year

http://qz.com/130139/the-vatican-bank-more-than-quadrupled-its-profit-last-year/

The IOR raked in a net €86.6 million in 2012, more than four times its €20.3 profit from 2011.


18 posted on 12/01/2013 7:30:32 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The Pope should stick to spiritual matters as it’s obvious he’s in way over his head when he speaks of economics.


19 posted on 12/01/2013 7:32:07 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Third Person

That last comment is far more scandalous than his words on capitalism.


20 posted on 12/01/2013 7:39:38 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: onedoug

He’s a train wreck on the spiritual matters, too.


21 posted on 12/01/2013 7:42:36 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Trojan Horse pope.


22 posted on 12/01/2013 7:43:59 AM PST by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: SeekAndFind
To me this is much ado about zip. It remains so until someone can tell me a place where capitalism is unfettered. It the United States it's fettered and becomes more fettered every day.

The Pope saying unfettered capitalism is the new tyranny has less meaning than saying, "Pray for rain." In fact praying for rain may even be useful. Decrying something that doesn't exist is a waste of air.

I hope the Pope reaches higher in his career. If this is the best he can do, the Catholic Church is in for a long slide.

23 posted on 12/01/2013 7:48:16 AM PST by stevem
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Now I know he’s nuts.


24 posted on 12/01/2013 7:49:24 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
So, tell me one thing. While critiquing the evils of capitalism, has the Pope also critiqued the evils of communism, socialism, and Islam?
25 posted on 12/01/2013 7:49:28 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: SeekAndFind
There is a “Being There” quality about obama where, usually off prompter, he says what he says and likely means and then his followers go out and tell us what he really said and means.

I can’t help but notice a similar sort of experience so far with Pope Francis.

I think for each man it's probably translation errors due to their speaking a non-native language, but still...curious.

26 posted on 12/01/2013 7:55:36 AM PST by GBA (Ezekiel ch. 7, verses 1-14...our consequences?)
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To: Third Person

They’ve been setting us up for this for 50 years.

We were warned.


27 posted on 12/01/2013 7:58:09 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s too much capitalizin’ goin’ on.


28 posted on 12/01/2013 7:59:33 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe the latest analysis of the Pope’s words, at least the one I read, says that a more precise translation is that he takes exception to rampant “consumerism” rather than “capitalism”. This seems more in line with my impression of his earlier statements.


29 posted on 12/01/2013 8:01:10 AM PST by jstaff
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To: escapefromboston
Communism and it's many aberrations are straight from the devil. Supposedly, Christ took this flesh journey for each and every individual. Flesh men dressing up in robes to look holy, demonstrate sometimes his traditions are more holy. Why are so many in fear of individuals freedom?

I guess this church reaps their benefits first from the fruits of free markets?

30 posted on 12/01/2013 8:02:17 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: GBA

RE: I can’t help but notice a similar sort of experience so far with Pope Francis.

The only way we can find out is for the Pope to CLARIFY what he said. Otherwise, someone will always say — “No, this is what he really meant”.

If he does not follow up with a more detailed clarification and leave people wondering... of what good then is a living magisterium?


31 posted on 12/01/2013 8:02:52 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: escapefromboston
FWIW, I am a Protestant, but I have great respect for Pope Leo XIII's encyclical "Rerum Novarum" from, I believe, 1891, in which he criticized both Socialism and Capitalism.

Personally, I like the marketplace. And people should remember that the marketplace is not synonymous with Capitalism. In order for Capitalism to exist, you need governments and laws and regulations. Big Banks and Stock Markets and Global Trade would not exist without government involvement. Now, being a Conservative, I recognize that government corrupts everything it touches. Therefore, I think Capitalism inevitably progresses to what we have today: Fascism.

I don't like Socialism.
I don't like Fascism.
I don't like Capitalism -- I used to, but now that I think I understand it better, I no longer like Capitalism.

I like the marketplace. That means small and managed by the buyers and the sellers, with no need for bureaucrats to "help" run the show. I do not see this as a Libertarian position. I see it as a Distributist position, based on Christian economics, as laid out in "Rerum Novarum".

32 posted on 12/01/2013 8:03:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: jstaff

RE: I believe the latest analysis of the Pope’s words, at least the one I read, says that a more precise translation is that he takes exception to rampant “consumerism” rather than “capitalism”. This seems more in line with my impression of his earlier statements.

Any HONEST individual would be wise to hold off all comments and at least READ the text before he makes his conclusions. It can be found here:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.pdf

Now, here’s my challenge to those whose first instinct is to shoot of their mouths ( or keyboards as the case may be )...

Search the entire text and tell me if you find the word “capitalism” in it.

Come on.... DO IT.


33 posted on 12/01/2013 8:10:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Capitalism, if unchecked, enables the wealthy to become increasingly powerful without any substantial net benefit to the balance of society. It promotes a form of inequality in which only the wealthy profit by work and all others merely subsist.”

Either “capitalism” is simply a boogeyman word invented by the Catholics, or this is a statement of fact that can be subjected to verification.

What is the correlation between the degree of capitalism in countries and …

(1) the standard of living of the median average (or, 50th percentile) person? The Pope says zero (he says the masses of people live at the subsistence level). The facts say positive.

(2) the standard of living of the twentieth percentile person? The Pope says zero (he says the masses of people live at the subsistence level). The facts say positive.

(3) the life expectancy of the population. The Pope says negative. (He says unfettered capitalism kills (this is from another part of his Exhortation). The facts say positive.

The economic theory exposed by the Pope is that of Thomas Malthus and Karl Marx (and also the tree-huggers of today). According to this theory, there is an iron law of wages. If wages were to ever rise above the subsistence level, then more children would survive until reproductive age, populations would grow and the supply of labor with it, until wages were again pushed down to the subsistence level.

This was a valid viewpoint at the time Malthus developed it. Prior to capitalism, there was no sustained progress for the economic conditions of the masses of people. After plague or war, when population and labor supply fell, wages rose; and, when population and labor supply recovered, wages fell back down.

But, with capitalism, the accumulation of capital, divorced the productivity of labor from the fixed supply of land. After capitalism, productivity and wages became a function of the accumulation of capital and a function, indirectly, of the protection afforded property by law.


34 posted on 12/01/2013 8:24:52 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: SeekAndFind

The article you posted said “capitalism” in the first paragraph and my comments were directed toward that, merely my attempt to say the same things you seem to be saying now. I agree that there’s far too much jerking of the knee going all over the world about everything he says.


35 posted on 12/01/2013 8:26:33 AM PST by jstaff
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To: jstaff

**I believe the latest analysis of the Pope’s words, at least the one I read, says that a more precise translation is that he takes exception to rampant “consumerism” rather than “capitalism”.**

BTTT! The truth will eventually come out. Remember how everyone dissed Pope Benedict’s encyclicals too? Just a re=run of things past. The media is will to accept a mis-translation as truth......par for lamestream, that’s for sure.


36 posted on 12/01/2013 8:28:59 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
Another way to look at this:

Repeat After Me: Subsidiarity & Solidarity
Subsidiarity and Human Dignity
Does the USCCB Understand Subsidiarity?
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] The Principle of Subsidiarity
[CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX CAUCUS] Subsidiarity Over Social Justice
What is the USCCB’s problem with subsidiarity?
Subsidiarity: Where Justice and Freedom Coexist
Health reform still full of thorny problems for Catholics (Vasa comes out for subsidiarity)
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Subsidiarity, [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Catholic Word of the Day: SUBSIDIARITY, 06-11-09

37 posted on 12/01/2013 8:30:10 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ive noticed that those who believe in the Pope will take any comment he makes, and bend and twist it to sound like its alright and that he is actually saying “this or that” he “didnt mean it the way he said it” etc. Just like the people who are for obama, they take what he does and twist it to make it sound like what he is doing is the “right thing”. It called willful ignorance. Its wanting to believe in a person so bad that they refuse to see what this person is actually up to.


38 posted on 12/01/2013 8:39:34 AM PST by txgirl4Bush (Impeach obama)
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To: SeekAndFind
(54) In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.

(204) We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality.

The fact that he doesn't use Marx's word ("capitalism") to describe what he's condemning here doesn't mean he's not singing Marx's tune. He certainly is, in unambiguous terms.

Free-markets can't be trusted. "Trickle-down" economics don't work. Decisions, programs, mechanisms and processes specifically geared toward "better distribution of income" are now required to bring about a "growth in justice".

Are we really debating what this language means? On FreeRepublic? It's Marxism 101. And Bergoglio has the spiel down as well as any revolutionary college professor.

This is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I don't like it any more than you do, but it's the obvious, logical conclusion.

39 posted on 12/01/2013 8:55:35 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: expat_panama
The pope: "...I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”..."

LOL. Said like a thief.

40 posted on 12/01/2013 8:56:02 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: txgirl4Bush
Ive noticed that those who believe in the Pope will take any comment he makes, and bend and twist it to sound like its alright and that he is actually saying “this or that” he “didnt mean it the way he said it” etc. Just like the people who are for obama, they take what he does and twist it to make it sound like what he is doing is the “right thing”. It called willful ignorance. Its wanting to believe in a person so bad that they refuse to see what this person is actually up to.

It's idol-worshiping.

41 posted on 12/01/2013 8:56:58 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Capitalism, if unchecked, enables the wealthy to become increasingly powerful without any substantial net benefit to the balance of society. It promotes a form of inequality in which only the wealthy profit by work and all others merely subsist.”

Capitalism does not do that. Government protection of the wealthy does that. And government involvement is what the Pope was calling for.

Whoever this writer is, he isn’t a conservative. Nor does he know any more about economics that the Pope does.

From the Pope’s mouth:

“54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.

No to the new idolatry of money

55. One cause of this situation is found in our relationship with money, since we calmly accept its dominion over ourselves and our societies. The current financial crisis can make us overlook the fact that it originated in a profound human crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person! We have created new idols. The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalances and, above all, their lack of real concern for human beings; man is reduced to one of his needs alone: consumption.

56. While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. To all this we can add widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. The thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule... With this in mind, I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”.

” Welfare projects, which meet certain urgent needs, should be considered merely temporary responses...We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.

205. I ask God to give us more politicians capable of sincere and effective dialogue aimed at healing the deepest roots – and not simply the appearances – of the evils in our world! Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good.[174] We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”.[175] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...

... Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html


42 posted on 12/01/2013 9:01:01 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus promotes a free market system.

It is the way of freedom and hope for the poor.

it is a govt controlled system which oppresses the poor and these socialist and communist systems not coincidentally bash Jesus constantly.


43 posted on 12/01/2013 9:34:49 AM PST by what's up
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To: escapefromboston

Actually, Christ died for our freedom which is reflected in free markets. He cares about our freedom so blessed countries which operate their economies in the most freedom possible.


44 posted on 12/01/2013 9:40:43 AM PST by what's up
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our respect for true followers of Islam should lead us to avoid hateful generalisations, for authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.

You are being very polite to only call this scandalous.

45 posted on 12/01/2013 9:44:14 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: SeekAndFind
What Pope Francis might be saying

We already read what your pope DID say and it's not what you suggest...

Pope Francis referred to this as "a new tyranny" pointing out concerns that as capitalist movements gain ground, many people are being left behind, shut off from opportunity.

Seems the poor people in China, India, Indonesia, VietNam, Mexico and other countries are moving ahead and and greatly benefiting from the 'new capitalist tyranny' (as America and Europe crumble)...Guess we're not moving fast enough for your pope...

46 posted on 12/01/2013 10:32:26 AM PST by Iscool
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The English text of his Apostolic Exhortation is posted here:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.pdf

I did not find the word “CAPITALISM” in the entire document.


47 posted on 12/01/2013 10:47:23 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Look for the word “market”.


48 posted on 12/01/2013 2:20:49 PM PST by Nevadan
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In an 84 page document known as an apostolic exhortation, titled, "Evangelii Gaudium" (The Joy of the Gospel) Pope Francis explained some of his positions on key matters in a very official capacity. Among those positions was a warning that unfettered capitalism was a danger. For Americans, especially conservatives, this may sound like an ominous sign, but it must be viewed in a Catholic light. Capitalism, if unchecked, enables the wealthy to become increasingly powerful without any substantial net benefit to the balance of society. It promotes a form of inequality in which only the wealthy profit by work and all others merely subsist. Pope Francis referred to this as "a new tyranny" pointing out concerns that as capitalist movements gain ground, many people are being left behind, shut off from opportunity. Meanwhile, those with access to opportunity and wealth commit "idolatry of money" by doing that which is most profitable without regard for the rest of society.

No surprises here.

He even hates Capitalism: "the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated capitalism"
-- From the thread 10 Quotes That Prove The Pope Is A Liberal

49 posted on 12/01/2013 4:10:59 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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As I recall, the Church has long condemned both socialism and unbridled capitalism - since the encyclicals of Leo XIII in the 1800’s I think. I don’t think there is anything new here except an ill-advised change in terminology. What is very significant is “the dog that didn’t bark”: I haven’t heard a peep from anyone about Francis condemning socialism. While I am not going to wade through the current truckload of words myself to find out, I am confident that if Francis had condemned socialism the usual suspects would be screaming about Armageddon if they had not died of apoplexy first. Any obituaries? No? I didn’t think so.


50 posted on 12/01/2013 5:17:04 PM PST by DumbestOx ("Where is everybody?" - Enrico Fermi, 1950)
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