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Morality and economics, Pope Francis, and Rush Limbaugh
Renew America ^ | November 30, 2013 | Matt C. Abbott

Posted on 11/30/2013 3:59:08 PM PST by NYer

Pope Francis recently issued the apostolic exhortation "The Joy of the Gospel." Click here to read it.

Conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh isn't pleased with the document, calling it "pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope." (Source)

I sought comment on the matter from Father John Trigilio Jr., Ph.D., Th.D., president of the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy. Below is Father's analysis (slightly edited).



I often listen to Rush Limbaugh and find him to be an intelligent man and an erudite conservative journalist. He uses common sense and logic to expose the fallacious arguments of liberal progressives. Unfortunately, he himself has fallen into a trap by which he erroneously extrapolates a false premise from the recent papal document from Pope Francis.

Evangelii Gaudium (The Joy of the Gospel) is an apostolic exhortation issued on November 24, 2013. While not an ex cathedra infallible document, it nevertheless contains ordinary papal magisterial teaching that demands submission of mind and will by faithful Catholics.

Rush is uncharacteristically inaccurate in his quotations. Pope Francis did not criticize unfettered capitalism; he used the phrase unfettered consumerism. The late and great Father Richard John Neuhaus defined consumerism as:

Capitalism is an economic and political ideology, whereas consumerism is a personal and individual ideology. The former is focused on a free market; the latter is obsessed with the acquisition of goods in and of themselves. Blessed John Paul II made the distinction that communism and consumerism are far extremes, and both threaten human freedom. One denies the right to access of necessary goods; the other deifies materialism and promotes avarice, greed and envy. A free market system, on the other hand, treats human beings equally, not giving undo advantage to card-carrying members of the Communist Party while penalizing those who express some political dissent.

What Pope Francis, Pope Benedict, Pope John Paul, Pope Leo and others have consistently been saying and teaching, however, is that the individual person is a moral agent. He must answer to God for what he did or did not do to help his neighbor in need. The Gospel of Matthew ends by separating the sheep from goats based on what each individual did or did not do to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, shelter the homeless, care for the sick, and so on. It is not a judgment of government policies or agencies; it is a personal judgment on each one of us.

That said, besides personal acts of Christian charity, it is logical and reasonable, prudent and necessary to pool resources and, even for the state, to help in cases where the most needy and most urgent cases are helped. Yet no pope ever promoted, nor called for, a welfare state that perpetually cares for the poor. The ultimate goal is to enable the poor to rise above poverty and reach a level of dignity commensurate with their human dignity.

Access to necessary goods is a natural right. That does not mean, however, that the natural moral law requires the poor to become enslaved to the state by permanently keeping them dependent. Rush calls Pope Francis a Socialist at best and a Communist at worst. Does this sound like a commie comment?

Contrary to what many modern public school textbooks currently tell our children, capitalism was actually created during the high Middle Ages and, as Michael Novak wrote in 2003, Catholicism is what created it. While feudalism sustained Christendom from the fall of the Roman Empire (476 A.D.) through the so-called Dark Ages, during the 12th to 14th centuries, the middle class arose thanks to capitalism, which eventually replaced feudalism. Medieval guilds and religious orders, such as the Cistercians, became contemporary entrepreneurs of their time.

Thomas Woods' How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization has an entire chapter titled "The Church and Economics" in which he, too, proposes that money was not an artificial product of government (crown or parliament), but a result of a voluntary process between merchants. Barter became more and more impractical when dealing with perishable items and dealing with transporting goods over long distances. Religious orders like the Cistercians devised accounting systems by which goods could be bought and sold between fellow monks, and this was duplicated by lay merchants who participated in the process.

While the secular states were governed by aristocracies and monarchies, and while the Church herself is hierarchical, it is still Catholic doctrine that all men and women are created in the image of God and by baptism are considered children of God. That spiritual equality was translated into an economic equality, which transcended the political. The emerging middle class came from the peasant class. They did so because their faith taught them they were equal in the eyes of God and therefore had equal opportunities to improve their material situation. Those who could not – the destitute poor, the lame, widowed and orphaned – relied on the Christian charity of the nobility and the emerging middle class.

It was the Church who literally created the colleges and universities, hospitals and orphanages, and who ran the poor houses and soup kitchens. The secular state (government) did not create these institutions; religious orders and dioceses did. Christian charity motivated those who had more to help those who had less.

When you read Evangelii Gaudium in its entirety, it continues the papal magisterium found in Rerum Novarum, Quadragesimo Anno, Mater et Magistra, Gaudium et Spes, Centesimus Annus, and, of course, the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

The very reason a nation has banking and finance laws is that human beings are not perfect. Original sin affects everyone, and some people, be they CEOs, CFOs, bankers or brokers, sometimes make bad choices that produce bad effects that cause great harm to many innocent people. I know of no conservative or liberal, Republican, Democrat, or Libertarian who would advocate the repeal of laws barring insider trading.

We need laws to maintain some parameters on banks and stock brokers to protect people from abuse and exploitation. Republicans and Democrats dispute the length, breadth and depth of such legal regulations, but even a free market has some borders that cannot be ignored. Limited government is still very different from no government. Some, even if minimal, legislation is needed since not everyone acts prudently or fairly or for pristine motives.

That said, it was totally unfair and inaccurate of Rush to attack Pope Francis for addressing a letter as head of the Roman Catholic Church to his more than one billion members. The pontiff was merely reiterating consistent Church teaching that supports a free market, but also reminds the moral obligation to act responsibly, honestly and prudently. No one can command generosity but it is something which should be encouraged and promoted. Welfare dependency helps neither the individual nor the nation. Some welfare is necessary for those who cannot be helped by private or non-profit charitable organizations. However, the goal is always to help move those into economic independence and become self-sufficient.

Laborem Exercens teaches us the sanctity of human work. The Catechism tells us that the Catholic Church always believes justice and solidarity are essential and necessary to human freedom. Justice is distributive, commutative and social. Unfettered consumerism is not synonymous with capitalism. A free market system respects human freedom and autonomy. Consumerism is an abuse and an extreme. Communism wrongly treated human labor as a means of production for the state. Consumerism wrongly treats the product of human labor and of the free market as the final source of happiness and fulfillment.

Material things, while helpful, do not produce enduring and true happiness. They make life easier, more comfortable and more convenient. Technology helps cure sickness and disease and helps makes life less a burden. All Pope Francis is warning is that the possession and acquisition of goods is not salvific, nor does it bring lasting joy. Pleasure is temporary, whereas joy can be eternal.

The pontiff is not forcing any nation or government to abandon capitalism; he's not advocating socialism let alone communism. He is, however, reminding Catholics all over the globe that we must buy and sell prudently while using our consciences. In that light, I see no reason for Rush to take offense or issue with Pope Francis.

I highly urge Rush to read Father Robert Sirico's Defending the Free Market and John Horvat's Return to Order. Mr. Horvat does a splendid job explaining the notion of frenetic intemperance, which is a cousin of unfettered consumerism. Father Sirico precisely shows that freedom requires a free market and that greed is no friend of capitalism. Rather, greed flourishes under socialism.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: leviathan; limbaugh; mammon; mammonism; pope
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To: NYer

The Pope (why one, all of them!) could learn a great deal from the Great Wise Men of the American radio, the Catholic gurus like Savage (not his real name!) or Levin (his real name?) Is Woo Woo Ginsburg still around?


41 posted on 11/30/2013 6:18:29 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Steelfish

“Rush appears to have mixed up unbridled consumerism and unchecked manipulation of goods and services with Adam Smith free markets.”

Please, you are just reading the main stream media’s liberal spin on what Rush said. Plus it was a very bad translation of Rush’s words. /s


42 posted on 11/30/2013 6:35:51 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: fatima
People talk about the lamestream media but when it comes to my Pope the so called elite who get paid just read the headlines and comment which makes them asses with a lot of money.We don't get paid for what we post.:)I don't know what the hell the Pope said but I do know that he goes out at night to help the homeless and feed the hungry in Rome.He is now sending the Swiss guard out to help also.
43 posted on 11/30/2013 6:36:50 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima

“Rush and Sarah should mind their own business when it comes to our Pope.”

Really?? It seems that the Pope puts out his ideas into the marketplace of ideas and should expect a discussion of those ideas.


44 posted on 11/30/2013 6:37:31 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Yea if they read them.Both admitted they didn’t.


45 posted on 11/30/2013 6:39:46 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima
I too am Catholic and a strong defender here on FR of Catholicism. Also, please show me where I posted Sarah Palin's name in my comments.. I will wait and look again when you cut an past that section of my comments...... okay, I though not.

The comments the pope made were not at all supportive of the Catholic and conservative way of life and mind set. Pope John destroyed communism and CCCO because he supported the conservative mindset. This popes comments were closer to the CCCP or even occupy wall street type of thinking and it was not a place he should have gone.

Conservatism is what keeps us free and safe. The soviets were totally against any sort of free will and self improvement as is the current admin in the USA. I will admit that I only heard part of the Rush show (I was workoing) and did not realize he said that much, but he still was right. It is not the popes place to tell me or anyone that we should act more like the socialists. The pope should be giving people encouragement to work out of the station they are at and get ahead.

That is a long disproved ideological way of thinking and every dictator who has tried it has failed. The single largest reason for famine throughout history has been dictatorships and socialism. Our system is the only one that has worked and has feed more people than all the socialists and dictators ever did.

Capitalism is the only way to go... the rest have been failures and those who experimented in other directions have killed people. Now are your saying we should blindly agree with any pope and whatever he says?
46 posted on 11/30/2013 6:40:12 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: NYer

This article is pure spin! The Pope was quite clear when he was condemning “trickle down economics” and “unfettered markets” and condemning those who do not want to provide the necessary “regulations” and political interventions.

The Catholics are fighting us out over the definition of “is,” and they’re even slicker than Slick Willy on it.

The words of Francis, without the spin, stand on their own quite well.


47 posted on 11/30/2013 6:48:31 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Steelfish
Lehman Bros, Enrons, the Bernie Madoffs, and currency manipulators like Soros that impoverished the middle class in many Third Word Asian nations like Thailand a

Thanks but no thanks,I care nothing for the occupy wall street mindset you seem to espouse now. My ideals are more along the lines of censervatism than you seem to have with the occupy thinking but enjoy that for now if it makes you happy...

But one question, while on FR do you find the anti-unionism is a little much for you to take cause there are other threads on the web more in agreement with all that...

Say hi to your union steward and to rich trumpka if you get a chance.
48 posted on 11/30/2013 7:02:53 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: vladimir998
You think the article was about Rush’s comments alone? Have you been paying attention the last few days?

For the last three days or so I have not paid that much attention to things. So what did it miss that seems to have changed the tone of FR?
50 posted on 11/30/2013 7:05:16 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: NYer

That really was a long rant, but I know I agree more with Rush than the socialism way of thinking. But thanks for posting it.


51 posted on 11/30/2013 7:10:24 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: JSteff

“So what did it miss that seems to have changed the tone of FR?”

I don’t think it “missed” this but the pure vitriol and ignorance that has sprung up on FR over the pope’s document has been stunning. Most of the people spreading that vitriol and ignorance have not even read a portion of the document let alone the whole thing.


52 posted on 11/30/2013 7:21:10 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: fatima

of course you don’t


53 posted on 11/30/2013 7:22:01 PM PST by Nifster
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To: fatima
Sarah and Rush made money? How do you know? Does MSNBC update you about these things on a regular basis?

Oh, and thanks for the correction on the spelling (capitalization) of Pope. You are right. And to think I did best in religion at St. Theresa's than any other class.

10th and up it was public schools that must have caught up and corrupted me.
54 posted on 11/30/2013 7:23:00 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: Nifster

OMG are you my husband.He never makes sense.


55 posted on 11/30/2013 7:33:39 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima

your command of logic and context within what you wrote and how I responded says you do not follow your own train of thought


56 posted on 11/30/2013 7:39:05 PM PST by Nifster
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To: JSteff
A non-Catholic knows a capital P for the Pope.You wanna fight and call me MSNBC.Pretty Low.Sarah and Rush make money every time they open their mouths on the air and they make lots of money.Not to research what you are talking about wastes everyone’s time.Sarah retracted and so did Rush and both admitted just reading headlines.Hell I want that job.
57 posted on 11/30/2013 7:40:39 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Nifster

You might be right.


58 posted on 11/30/2013 7:41:58 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Nuc 1.1

Defining evil? Very simple.

EVIL
The privation of a good that should be present. It is the lack of a good that essentially belongs to a nature; the absence of a good that is natural and due to a being. Evil is therefore the absence of what ought to be there.
All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon’s Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.


59 posted on 11/30/2013 7:44:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

So the pope said “consumerism”, not “capitalism”?

If so, that changes things.


60 posted on 11/30/2013 7:51:42 PM PST by Yardstick
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