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To: Ripliancum; elcid1970; Elsie; All
...the Book of Mormon mentions that there are “save two churches only.” The CHurch of God and the church of the devil...

ALL: What is Ripliancum citing from here within the Book of Mormon?

”And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.” (1 Nephi 14:10-11)

And verse 12 reads: ”...their dominions upon the face of the earth were small because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.” (1 Nephi 14:12)

So there you have it: If you "belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God" (the Mormon church),
THEN you apparently "belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth."

Why Mormon leaders & grassroots Lds might as well come right out & say what their Joseph Smith-in-a-hat recitations came up with -- that we belong to (or descended from) Mother of Abominations Catholic Church, or Whore of All the Earth Catholic Church!

Smith laced 1 & 2 Nephi with such derogatory accusations:
* "abominable church...whore of all the earth" (2 Nephi 28:18);
* "whore of all the earth" (2 Nephi 10:16)
* “And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth, among all the nations of the Gentiles, to fight against the Lamb of God.” (1 Nephi 14:13)
* ”And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth. And as there began to be wars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things.” (1 Nephi 14:15-16)
* ”And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.” (1 Nephi 14:17)
* “And the blood of that great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall turn upon their own heads; for they shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.” (1 Nephi 22:13)
* ”And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they shall fall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that fight against Zion shall be destroyed, and that great whore, who hath perverted the right ways of the Lord, yea, that great and abominable church, shall tumble to the dust and great shall be the fall of it.” (1 Nephi 22:14)

'Abomination' & 'Abominable' becomes fave Jos. Smith word

We see 1 Nephi 13, 1 Nephi 14, and 1 Nephi 22 popping up the term “abomination” or “abominable” at least eight times! As previously shown, 1 Nephi 14:9-10 says there are only two churches: The church of the Lamb & the Church of the Devil. In the opinion of Mormon leaders, the church of the devil ("abominable church...whose foundation is the devil"-- 1 Nephi 14:9) – is the great non-Mormon church that branched out into Protestantism.

The King James-era word "abomination" is used repetitively to describe this non-Mormon church.
--1 Nephi 13:6 & 2 Nephi 6:12 both call it a "great & abominable church."
--D&C 29:21 references it as an "abominable church" &
--D&C 88:94 calls it a "great church, the mother of abominations"
[Also, see references above to "whore...of all the earth."]
--1 Nephi 13:32 accuses this church of censorship: "parts of the gospel kept back by that abominable church” (1 Nephi 13:32).

No wonder then that 19th century Lds leaders derived such slash-and-burn understandings of both the Catholic & Protestant churches!

The 3rd Lds "prophet" -- John Taylor -- described it this way:

"'The present Christian world exists and continues by division. The MYSTERY of Babylon the great, is mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, and it needs no prophetic vision, to unravel such mysteries. The old church is the mother, and the protestants are the lewd daughters. Alas! alas! what doctrine, what principle, or what scheme, in all, what prayers, what devotion, or what faith, `since the fathers have fallen asleep,' has opened the heavens; has brought men into the presence of God; and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to an innumerable company of angels? The answer is, not any: "There is none in all christendom that doeth good; no, not one."'

Source: Lds “Apostle” John Taylor, Times and Seasons, Vol.6, No.1, p.811, Feb. 15, 1845...Taylor would later emerge as an Lds “prophet” in the late 1870s upon the death of Brigham Young...he did “jail time” with Joseph Smith over the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor newspaper Lds "apostle" Parley P. Pratt, admired by dialogue kick-off speaker Terryl Givens, claimed:

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"

Source: The Seer, p. 255.

And: "We have already proved in the previous numbers of this series that immediately after the first century the whole earth became corrupted by the great "Mother of Harlots," that apostasy and wickedness succeeded Christianity, that for the want of new revelation, all legal succession to the apostleship was discontinued that the gifts and powers of the Holy Spirit ceased and that the Church was no longer to be found on the earth: this being the case, all nations must have been destitute of the everlasting gospel for many generations - not destitute of its history as it was once preached and enjoyed but destitute of its blessings, of its powers, of its gifts, of its priesthood, of its ordinances administered by legal authority" (Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, No.6 (1851), pg.82).

No wonder McConkie wrote what he did in the 1958 version of Mormon Doctrine...he was simply regurgitating Joseph Smith's BoM claims!

62 posted on 12/02/2013 12:57:36 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; All
”And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.” (1 Nephi 14:10-11)

Thank you for quoting this and all the other Prophets and Apostles on the subject. It's important that people see the truth. They might not accept it. Most won't. But that's ok. It's important that they be given the opportunity to accept or deny. That's all the Lord asks us to do.

In the past the message needed to be tough to combat the zealous nature of the established churches. But today, apathy is the biggest problem to over come. So, the modern prophets switch their message to be more of why we need to do good, versus right and wrong doctrine.

The Lord's proclamation of how He views these other Churches has not changed nor will it ever.


77 posted on 12/02/2013 11:13:09 AM PST by StormPrepper
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