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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Then Rush and Sarah are wrong.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3096201/posts

Read what it really says. Don’t believe the lamestream media.


5 posted on 11/28/2013 9:05:00 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Salvation, I salute you for fighting for truth. Sadly, I think you’ll be ignored.


13 posted on 11/28/2013 9:16:42 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Salvation

Rush and Sarah are right. Here is what is actually says:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html

The economic stuff:

“While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. To all this we can add widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. The thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule... With this in mind, I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”.

” Welfare projects, which meet certain urgent needs, should be considered merely temporary responses...We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.

205. I ask God to give us more politicians capable of sincere and effective dialogue aimed at healing the deepest roots – and not simply the appearances – of the evils in our world! Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good.[174] We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”.[175] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...

... Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”

For emphasis: “Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good.[174] We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle...of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”....what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”


33 posted on 11/28/2013 9:39:19 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Salvation
You keep posting this poppycock on numerous threads. As I said on the other thread.....

You keep posting this and telling everyone that the "interpretation" from a known conservative site, Breitbart, is incorrect and leftist. However, you want us to believe that the translation from your site, Ignatius Insight, run by a bunch of known leftists , the Jesuits, is correct and conservative.

The Jesuits embrace Obama and every other leftist/socialist principle and you want us, the conservatives on FR, to ignore the truth and believe them? I don't think so!

44 posted on 11/28/2013 10:11:47 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Salvation

The current economic system (a market-oriented economy in the context of democratic government), the Pope says, is “unjust at its root.”

This is contradicted by Rerum Novarum and Centisiums Annos. It seems to me that if one Pope can declare the economic system endorsed by prior Popes as “unjust at its root,” and not merely as flawed, then there can be no claim of Papal infallibility.

During the past two hundred years, the Catholics have swayed back and forth between Monarchy and Fascism, and between these two and Liberalism. And now we have a Pope who declares Liberalism as “unjust at its root,” without offering an alternative.

Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world.” Religious leaders who pretend to speak for Jesus in matters of politics and economics reveal only that they do not understand how revolutionary is the Gospel message.


68 posted on 11/28/2013 11:52:22 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Salvation; vladimir998

The same thing happened when Benedict XVI released Caritas in Veritate (if you’ll recall).

There are going to be some who are utterly convinced that ANY Pope is a socialist. You won’t change their minds so don’t bother trying.

There are some who are simply reacting to media reports.

My suggestion for you two is to study the document and let people have their rants. When the smoke clears, those who were utterly convinced that Catholicism is socialist are still going to believe what they’ll believe and neither you nor I will change their thinking (chances are, they practice some variety of “prosperity gospel”...whether they are Christian or not). Those who are simply reacting then may be able to listen.


74 posted on 11/28/2013 12:30:29 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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