Posted on 09/30/2013 6:01:49 AM PDT by marshmallow
The introduction of gay marriage may mean Catholics in Scotland will have to exchange their vows twice, once in a registry office and once at the altar, the new Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh has said.
Leo Cushley said the Catholic Church may have to consider the radical move to avoid legal challenges over the Church’s opposition to gay weddings.
The Bishop’s Conference of Scotland believes the Church may one day have to adopt the French model whereby religious couples are married in the eyes of the state in town halls, then exchange rings and receive a blessing in church.
Archbishop Cushley said in an interview: “We would always bless Christian marriages. It’s whether or not we would bless them in conjunction with the state. You are rolling two things together into one ceremony, the blessing of the union and then the state’s recognition of that union.
“There are Catholic countries like France, where they are two separate things and have been since the French Revolution and the separation of church and state.
“It’s not impossible to imagine such a thing here in the future.”
There are concerns in the Church that, in future, priests could face legal action if they refuse to marry a gay couple.
The law currently says priests act as an “authorised person”, recognised by the state to marry a couple in place of a registrar and to sign and certify the marriage on an official document.
The prospect of such a radical change was raised with MPs and peers earlier this year.
Professor Christopher McCrudden, a barrister, told Westminster’s joint committee on human rights that the same-sex marriage legislation could dismantle the legal basis on which 8,500 Catholic weddings are performed in Britain each year.
(Excerpt) Read more at scotsman.com ...
The state's goal is to destroy marriage.
Ours should be to destroy the state's say in the matter.
Better yet, take vows in the Church and forget the state license.
That is what Christians should do in the U.S. now. The state doesn’t recognize our definition of marriage, then why buy into theirs? Especially given the punitive tax laws against married couples.
I asked a priest in the US several years ago if the state license could be refused and he claimed he was legally forbidden from marrying anyone without a license.
food for thought there!
We could just call the civil licensing a ‘civil union’ and have it be similar to LLC formation.
Catholicism is no different than any other huge religious, social govt system i.e. Islam. The Catholics rounded up and burned, true born again children of God, at the stake hundreds of years ago, as the truth threatened their establishment. Muzzies doing the same thing, only difference is they are still doing it today.
so not a “marriage” but do a “blessing ceremony”
I doubt if the Lord would mind couples not having a state-issued “license”
I don't know that the victims of the Inquisition were by definition "true born again children of God"...rather, they were simply heretics, as defined by the authorities of the time.
Muzzies doing the same thing, only difference is they are still doing it today.
Similarly, as shown in the recent mall shooting in Nairobi, Muslim terrorists don't care what your religion (or lack thereof) is...if it's not Islam, you're to be killed.
Exactly. It will keep the state out of the family into which it has intruded far too much.
That is a Lutheran lie. The NAZI’s lover Martin Luther. Luther did “dissent” from the Church. He declared war on it.
If the state doesn't consider it marriage, then he's not performing a state marriage, just a church sacrament.
Priests aren't big on thinking outside the box.
So what to do? Get married in the Church, and then file for an annulment with the state (which will be immediately granted). Unless you get a Church annulment, you are still married in the Church, right? Yep.
We are not too far away from celebrating sacraments in the catacombs, again.
Head palm...
WRONG! Catholicism is not a system of state government. It has no system of government analogous to Sharia Law. Those people who were burned at the stake were burned at the hands of the government not burned by the Catholic church. States hated heretics so they killed them because they were perceived to be a threat.
Then "marriage entries" morphed into "marriage licenses" just to make money for the state.
viz= There never was any such thing as a "marriage license" in order to get married. It was an invention of the British state to change "marriage entries" to "marriage licenses" to get revenues.
"Marriage Records
Marriage entries recorded the date and place of marriage. Information included the ages of the two parties, their residences, marital status, occupations, fathers, and even their fathers' occupations.
Civil copies of marriage entries are duplicates of original church entries.
Thus, since it was the duty of the minister to forward copies of all of the marriages he performed, the vast majority have been recorded at the civil level, even in the early years of civil registration.
However, always be sure to check the original church record since there are often discrepancies between the civil and ecclesiastical copies of the same record. Clerical errors happen! We blogged about this recently."
http://www.progenealogists.com/greatbritain/englishcivilregistration.htm
Catholicism most certainly IS a system of state government. It has its own coins, flag, ambassadors, army, etc.. It IS a state. The smallest country in the world. Other world leaders sign concordants with Vatican. It IS a political system and a religious system.
Ome minor difference is any Catholic or Christian burning or otherwise killing and torturing another person for heresy is acting against the teaching of Jesus Christ;the follower of Mohammed who kills others for refusal to submit to islam is acting in concert with islamic teaching.
The disciples of Jeses were only to “shake the dust from their sandals” as they left a town which would not hear the Gospel.
I REALLY prefer the Jesus fellow !!!!!!
That’s indeed a major difference of authentic Christianity. Thereby you must willingly chose to ignore this obvious sign of the false church in history. The great harlot of Revelation has been plain to one and all for centuries. She attempted to do by the point of the spear, the martyrs pyre, and the Inquisition rack what only God can do. Only God can convert a human soul. Salvation doesn’t come by force. It doesn’t come by any action or decisions of men. It’s up to God to show mercy and He has mercy on whom He will. (See Exodus 33, Romans 9) Jonah 2:9 tells us that “salvation is of The Lord.” John 1:13 tells us men are “born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
WRONG! Where in the bible, specifically, the New Testament is a system of governance laid out. The koran has a system of governance defined. Just because there is Vatican City (or further back in history the Papal States) doesn’t mean that Catholicism is a system of governance.
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