Skip to comments.World’s biggest shipwreck
Posted on 09/19/2013 10:11:51 AM PDT by juliosevero
i thought they were talking about our govt..
Was that supposed to be some form of Soviet exceptionalism? I think I like the American kind much better.
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Yes, the Soviet soldiers responded with brutality and rape, but the Nazis could expect no quarter.
Sounds like an overt act of war to me. I think Germany should have immediately declared war against the Soviet Union.
Yup, no good guys on the Eastern Front. Just bad and worse.
I think they need a better F to C chart
of course the ocean waters can be well below freezing without freezing, it’s salty and its always moving.
-10 C does = 14 F
But seawater begins to Freeze at -2 C.
They were likely talking about the recorded air temps at the time.
Let's be fair, the Soviets had a HUGE head start in mass killings and brutality over the Nazis; dating back into the '20s. The Nazis were just better at documenting it.
I should have thought of that
Ping for later.
Worser? Then it really must be bad!
The Nazis and Commies worshipped a G-d, just a different one.
Nazism was a combination of mercantilism with darwinism.
Fascism as practiced by Mussolini was mercantilism with a pretense of efficiency, though he really never did get the Italian trains to run on time.
Soviet Communism was based on Marxism which denies darwinism. The idea that some people are better than others at different jobs is anathema to marxists. If some were better, then they should be paid better, and that would be exploitation!
And the much worserest is the wholesale slaughter of the English language, in print.
What about their belief in the evolving of the “New Soviet Man”?
New Soviet Man was not darwinian evolution (variation followed by selection) it was Lamarkian (characteristics derived from exposture to the correct environment).
Man will make it his purpose to master his own feelings, to raise his instincts to the heights of consciousness, to make them transparent, to extend the wires of his will into hidden recesses, and thereby to raise himself to a new plane, to create a higher social biologic type, or, if you please, a superman.
Also, if the water temperature had been 14 degrees below zero, the ship wouldn't have sunk because the sea would have been frozen.
The ship might not have been sunk had the skipper not turned on his navigation lights, a foolish thing to do in a war zone.
It isn’t darwinian.
Nazis decided to murder the people they declared were ‘unfit’ or “life unworthy of life”. Before they murdered Jews, they murdered cripples, injured war veterans, the retarded. Variation first, then selection. At the concentration camps when they chose people to be murdered they called it selection.
Soviets had the idea that people could evolve on demand. They even produced false science whereby seeds were treated with cold water, and based on that would be resistant to a late frost. Total BS, but they published it, and put it into practice, and when frost killed crops, they covered it up.
Heinz Schön, who carried out extensive research into the sinking during the 1980s and 1990s, concluded that the Wilhelm Gustloff was carrying a crew of 173 (naval armed forces auxiliaries), 918 officers, NCOs, and men of the 2 Unterseeboot-Lehrdivision, 373 female naval auxiliary helpers, 162 wounded soldiers, and 8,956 civilians, among them an estimated 4,000 children, for a total of 10,582 passengers and crew.
Is that possible?
The ship left Gotenhafen early on 30 January 1945, accompanied by the passenger liner Hansa, also filled with civilians and military personnel, and two torpedo boats. The Hansa and one torpedo boat developed mechanical problems and could not continue, leaving the Wilhelm Gustloff with one torpedo boat escort, the Löwe. The ship had four captains (three civilian and one military) on board, and they could not agree on the best course of action to guard against submarine attacks. Against the advice of the military commander, Lieutenant Commander Wilhelm Zahn (a submariner who argued for a course in shallow waters close to shore and without lights), the senior civilian captainFriedrich Petersendecided to head for deep water. When he was informed by a mysterious radio message of an oncoming German minesweeper convoy, he decided to activate his ship’s red and green navigation lights so as to avoid a collision in the dark, making the Wilhelm Gustloff easy to spot in the night. The source or authenticity of this radio message was never confirmed and there was no oncoming German minesweeper convoy as it later turned out.
Because the Wilhelm Gustloff had been fitted with anti-aircraft guns it was not marked as a hospital ship (unlike the Soviet hospital ship Armenia incident in 1941), no notification of it operating in a hospital capacity had been given and, as it was transporting combat troops, it did not have any protection as a hospital ship under international accords
It wasn’t a luxury liner. It was packed with women, children, and naval personnel. Consider that a person takes up 6 square feet. 684 feet x 77 ft/ 6 ft = 8778 for one deck. It had 8 decks, so yes, it was full, but it is possible.
I thought this was going to be about 0bamacare.
Title is not what your subject is. “World’s Biggest Shipwreck” is the Costa Concordia at 114,000 tons.
If you are trying to say Most Deadly, or Most Costly in human life then say that.
In 1928, Trofim Lysenko, a previously unknown agronomist, claimed to have developed an agricultural technique, termed vernalization, which tripled or quadrupled crop yield by exposing wheat seed to high humidity and low temperature. While cold and moisture exposure are a normal part of the life cycle of fall-seeded winter cereals, the vernalization technique claimed to increase yields by increasing the intensity of exposure, in some cases planting soaked seeds directly into the snow cover of frozen fields. In reality, the technique was neither new (it had been known since 1854, and was extensively studied during the previous twenty years), nor did it produce the yields he promised, although some increase in production did occur.
When Lysenko began his fieldwork in the Soviet Union of the 1930s, the agriculture of the Soviet Union was in a massive crisis due to rapid changes in switching from an agrarian-based economy towards an industrial economy leading to mismanagement of collective farms. The resulting famine provoked the people and the government alike to search for any possible solution to the critical lack of food. Lysenko's vernalization practices yielded marginally greater food production on the farms, and he was quickly accepted as the hero of Soviet agriculture.
Lysenko's political success was due in part to his striking differences from most biologists at the time. He was from a peasant family, and an enthusiastic advocate of the Soviet Union and Leninism. During a period which saw a series of man-made agricultural disasters, he was also extremely fast in responding to problems, although not with real solutions. Whenever the Party announced plans to plant a new crop or cultivate a new area, Lysenko had immediate practical suggestions on how to proceed.
So quickly did he develop his prescriptions from the cold treatment of grain, to the plucking of leaves from cotton plants, to the cluster planting of trees, to unusual fertilizer mixes that academic biologists did not have time to demonstrate that one technique was valueless or harmful before a new one was adopted. The Party-controlled newspapers applauded Lysenko's "practical" efforts and questioned the motives of his critics.
Lysenko's "revolution in agriculture" had a powerful propaganda advantage over the academics, who urged the patience and observation required for science.
From 1934 to 1940, under Lysenko's admonitions and with Stalin's approval, many geneticists were executed (including Isaak Agol, Solomon Levit, Grigorii Levitskii, Georgii Karpechenko and Georgii Nadson) or sent to labor camps. The famous Soviet geneticist Nikolai Vavilov was arrested in 1940 and died in prison in 1943.
Many other countries of the Eastern Bloc accepted Lysenkoism as the official "new biology" as well; however the acceptance of Lysenkoism was not uniform in communist countries. In Poland, all geneticists except for Gajewski followed Lysenkoism. Even though Gajewski was not allowed contacts with students, he was allowed to continue his scientific work at the Warsaw botanical garden. Lysenkoism was then rapidly rejected starting from 1956 and modern genetics research departments were formed, including the first department of genetics headed by Gajewski, which was started at the Warsaw University in 1958.
Czechoslovakia adopted Lysenkoism in 1949. Jaroslav Kříenecký (18961964) was one of the prominent Czechoslovak geneticists opposing Lysenkoism, and when he criticized Lysenkoism in his lectures, he was dismissed from the Agricultural University in 1949 for "serving the established capitalistic system, considering himself superior to the working class, and being hostile to the democratic order of the people", and imprisoned in 1958. In 1963, he was appointed head of the newly established Gregor Mendel department in the Moravian Museum in Brno, the city in which Gregor Mendel pursued his early experiments on inheritance and formulated the laws of Mendelian inheritance.
In the GDR, although Lysenkoism was taught at some of the universities, it had very little impact on science due to the actions of a few courageous scientists (for example, the geneticist and fierce critic of Lysenkoism, Hans Stubbe) and an open border to West Berlin research institutions. Nonetheless, Lysenkoist theories were found in schoolbooks until the dismissal of Nikita Khrushchev in 1964.
Lysenkoism dominated Chinese science from 1948 until 1956, when, during a genetics symposium opponents of Lysenkoism were permitted to freely criticize it and argue for Mendelian genetics. In the proceedings from the symposium, Tan Jiazhen is quoted as saying "Since [the] USSR started to criticize Lysenko, we have dared to criticize him too". For a while, both schools were permitted to coexist, although the influence of the Lysenkoists remained large for several years.
Lysenkoism was promoted heavily by the Japanese Communist Party.
In 1948, genetics was officially declared "a bourgeois pseudoscience"; all geneticists were fired from their jobs (some were also arrested), and all genetic research was discontinued. Nikita Khrushchev, who claimed to be an expert in agricultural science, also valued Lysenko as a great scientist, and the taboo on genetics continued (but all geneticists were released or rehabilitated posthumously). The ban was only waived in the mid-1960s.
If I don't believe that the universe was created October 23-28, 4004 BC, then I'm just like Hitler and Stalin.
Been there, heard that, got the t-shirt, don't wear it any more, man.
The parallels to the Obama regime are interesting. Obama goes from one scandal to another, before one can be investigated, he is on to the next.
These days I’m often startled to see someone on FR using basic math and common sense...excellent post!
I only have a few tools at my disposal. I use them when I can.
My father was my high school math teacher. My mother taught high school English, and my grandmother was my high school French teacher.
Yup, 10,000+ is definitely possible.
The Cunard Queens (Mary and Elizabeth) were converted into troopships that could carry an entire Division of 15,000 men.
They also operated unescorted. They were fast enough (close to 30kts) to outrun any threat from u boats.
>>>The communist inhumanity has been very well known. This is why during the anti-Communist military government in Brazil, the exiled leftist artists and politicians didnt choose to live in Cuba, Soviet Union, North Korea or other socialist paradise. They opted for capitalist countries! For instance, former Brazilian Marxist president Fernando Henrique Cardoso chose exile in France. Gilberto Gil, in England. Why to choose exile in a socialist slum when they could opt for capitalist luxury?<<<
Cry me a river. Sinking of Gustloff was a justified act of war.
Critics has to mention it was a Criegsmarine military ship, painted navy grey, with armament, travelling blacked out as part of a convoy with other nazy warships. To make things worse, it was a floating base for U-boat crews, housing some thousand hazy navy officers.
Blaming Soviet navy is beyond stupid. Blame idiots who made so many civilians a target.
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