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‘The Bible Belt is Collapsing’
PJ Tatler ^ | August 17, 2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 08/17/2013 6:46:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A fascinating interview in the Wall Street Journal with Russell Moore, the incoming president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. This influential position was held previously by Richard Land, who became a well known face on the cable nets and Sunday shows.

Moore says, in essence, that the culture war has been lost:

‘The Bible Belt is collapsing,” says Russell Moore. Oddly, the incoming president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission doesn’t seem upset. In a recent visit to The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Moore explains that he thinks the Bible Belt’s decline may be “bad for America, but it’s good for the church.”

Why? Because “we are no longer the moral majority. We are a prophetic minority.”

The phrase is arresting coming from such a prominent religious leader—akin to a general who says the Army has shrunk to the point it can no longer fight two wars. A youthful 41, Mr. Moore is among the leaders of a new generation who think that evangelicals need to recognize that their values no longer define mainstream American culture the way they did 50 or even 20 years ago.

On gay marriage, abortion, even on basic religious affiliation, the culture has moved away. So evangelicals need a new way of thinking—a new strategy, if you will—to attract and keep believers, as well as to influence American politics.

The easy days of mobilizing a ready-made majority are gone. By “prophetic minority,” he means that Christians must return to the days when they were a moral example and vanguard—defenders of belief in a larger unbelieving culture. He views this less as a defeat than as an opportunity.

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He is definitely pushing a new tone for this generation of evangelicals. “This is the end of ‘slouching toward Gomorrah,’ ” he says. Not only is the doomsaying not winning Christians any popularity contests, but he doesn’t think it’s religiously appropriate either. “We were never promised that the culture would embrace us.”

He also questions the political approach of what was once called “the religious right.” Though his boyish looks bring to mind the former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed, Mr. Moore is decidedly not a fan of the “values voter checklists” the group employs. “There is no Christian position on the line-item veto,” Mr. Moore says. “There is no Christian position on the balanced-budget amendment.”

Which is not to say that Mr. Moore wants evangelicals to “turn inward” and reject the larger U.S. culture. Rather, he wants to refocus the movement on serving as a religious example battling in the public square on “three core issues”—life, marriage and religious liberty.

Politically, the evangelical right isn’t going anywhere. They will still play a large role in Republican party politics, and will still be indispensable to the campaigns of dozens of Republicans in many districts.

But to a secularist like me, Mr. Moore’s words sound like a welcome dose of pragmatism. Achieve what is doable, accept the world not for what you would have it be, but for what it is. This is not to say that there shouldn’t be an effort — a war, if you will — to fight on many issues. But perhaps the battles will be fought on a different kind of battlefield — one where moral authority is gleaned not from numbers or political power, but from the light of example.

Read the whole interview for some fascinating insights.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; baptists; biblebelt; christians; culturewar; moore; prolife; russellmoore
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To: SADMILLIE
I went to these money grubbing “churches “ for 55 years. When babies were being slaughtered— they said nothing. When sexual perversion , an “abomination to God” ran rampant ,they sang hymns or “praise and worship” but they said nothing.( it would hurt collections). They are worthless institutions in the eyes of God. They mean nothing.

So atheists are leading the charge now?
21 posted on 08/17/2013 7:22:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SADMILLIE
They are worthless institutions in the eyes of God.

You don't speak for God. He draws his people in strange ways, opening their eyes with great care...and you are no one to judge.

You need to offer up an apology for your comment (and not to me).

22 posted on 08/17/2013 7:22:40 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; HoosierDammit; TYVets; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

24 posted on 08/17/2013 7:26:08 PM PDT by narses
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To: RoosterRedux
Actually the Bible Belt can collapse as certainly as the faith in N. Africa which was once vibrant and full BUT did collapse. So biblically speaking you are a far ways out of bounds. No one place is secured against collapse, but Christianity itself through Jesus's promise:

Mt 16:18
18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Guarantees that the faith itself will not collapse, but does not guarantee any geographic area from collapse.
26 posted on 08/17/2013 7:27:42 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: Yardstick

Actually gay marriage and abortion are the same issue and the losses of GM, I think over compensate for the gains on abortion.


27 posted on 08/17/2013 7:30:06 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: RoosterRedux
He draws his people in strange ways

Man that's the truth.

I was thinking of how to reach out to the inner city dwellers without sacrificing my principles when a neighbor from Detroit introduced me to a black pastor who had become disillusioned with his own social justice preaching. We both found strength and direction.
28 posted on 08/17/2013 7:31:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If our pastors return to preaching the Gospel we will have revival. As long as we put our faith in man (politicians) we are doomed.


29 posted on 08/17/2013 7:31:11 PM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: RBStealth
You quote a politically charged verse to support Peter and the Catholic Church.

The Church of Christ is so much bigger than just the Catholic Church. But we true believers are all a part of it.

So please stop fighting amongst yourselves over denominational matters.

Is it not about the Lord?

31 posted on 08/17/2013 7:32:35 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I read the article. Mr. Moore did not mention our nation's system of education from pre-K through graduate school.

My opinion:

Our nation will continue in its downward nosedive as long as Christians and conservatives continue send their children into godless and socialist-entitlement single payer K-12 indoctrination centers!

Please remember that nearly every teacher in this nation ( pre-K through graduate school) was trained by godless Marxists in Marxist dominated colleges and universities.

32 posted on 08/17/2013 7:34:39 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: RoosterRedux

I didnt use that quote in a Catholic way. Its the Bible and I used the sentence in full and underlined the part I was talking about. Is that not clear?


33 posted on 08/17/2013 7:35:04 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gone are the days when human scum like Ralph Reed and Tom DeLay could claim to be conservative Christians and make scads of money telling the yokels what they wanted to hear.

Now Christians have to actually act like Christians in order to gain authority within the Christian community.

Imagine that?

34 posted on 08/17/2013 7:35:12 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: cripplecreek
Yep...the Lord is on the move.

Glad to hear of your recent experience and testimony. Spread the Word.

35 posted on 08/17/2013 7:35:18 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RBStealth
http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Religion-Became-Nation-Heretics/dp/143917833X

Read the book if you want to understand.

Just ordered it today, actually.


36 posted on 08/17/2013 7:36:49 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." Isaiah 27:1)
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To: RBStealth
That bit of Scripture has been used for 1900 years to push a single denomination...is that not clear?

Christianity is not about denomination...it is about the Lord.

37 posted on 08/17/2013 7:37:39 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm probably missing something wonderful about this, but to me it's embarrassing. Jesus was abandoned by all of His friends, betrayed by one, and those He came to save cursed, convicted, beat and whipped Him, scourged His flesh and nailed Him to a cross to die.

I wonder how many of today's Christians, even in the famous "leadership" positions, would have been with those in that crowd calling for His death. If He were to show up today, as He did then, how many would recognize Him or would be like those leaders of His day, witness His miracles, then call it the work of Satan?

How many care more about their egos, their passions and their empires, than about His Word, which they can recite by heart, but whose heart doesn't feel and head doesn't heed? Where are they leading those entrusted to their care?

I worry about US and the government we've created, that mouths the words it claims to believe, like many of us, that violates most of the 10 Commandments as a matter of policy and tax code, not to mention having legalized infanticide and soon, gay marriage.

Look around. The more we allow, the more we attract...and soon will call down upon us, if you catch my drift. There are signs and warnings now, even I can see them, but next comes...?

38 posted on 08/17/2013 7:37:43 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: BipolarBob

Here stand I. I can do no other


39 posted on 08/17/2013 7:38:15 PM PDT by Nifster
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