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Are Atheists mentally ill?
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 08/17/2013 | Sean Thomas

Posted on 08/17/2013 8:29:34 AM PDT by Vanders9

Thanks to a couple of surveys, it’s being put about in certain circles that atheists have higher IQs than believers. That may or may not be the case, but one problem with this argument is that, if you accept "average group differences in IQ”, you get into all sorts of sinister debates which bien pensant atheist Lefties might find less to their liking.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: atheists; believers; happiness; iq
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1 posted on 08/17/2013 8:29:34 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

Only the Rabid Militant ones who want to push atheism onto others like the Rabid Jihadi who wants to push Islamism...


2 posted on 08/17/2013 8:34:46 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Vanders9
Not necessarily. But liberals are and prove it daily.
3 posted on 08/17/2013 8:39:06 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Vanders9

Atheists need God. If people did not believe in God then Atheists would loose their religion.

Atheists do not believe in something they say does not exist?


4 posted on 08/17/2013 8:40:07 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Vanders9

There have been several studies of late that purportedly show that atheists have a higher average IQ, and that increased IQ is correlated to lowered or no religious belief. The correlation is that believers are more stupid.
This article counters that in several ways. Higher IQ doesn’t mean a better life. The article points out:
* Believers recover faster from injuries.
* Atheists have fewer kids. They are less likely to marry and more likely to divorce. Therefore, atheists act in ways contrary to social stability.
* Religious people are less likely to be depressed or commit suicide and have more friends - AKA, emotionally healthier.
* Seriously religious people (attending 2 or more services a month) are less likely to abuse drugs, alcohol and partners. Atheists are more likely to be addicted to alcohol, drugs and other substances.
* While atheism is correlated with advanced education like a master’s degree or doctoral degree, average kids who attend religious schools are more likely to graduate and to get an associate’s or bachelor’s degree than others - especially in the inner city.

So while atheists are theoretically the most educated and have the highest IQ, they are the least likely to have happy families, children, strong social relationships, be addiction free or happy in their relationships. Atheists are most likely to not donate money, be mean, die of an overdose, have no strong familial relationships, high blood pressure, poor health and kill themselves. While theoretically “smarter” and “better educated”, they are socially, physically and - in Darwinian terms - ill suited for life.

Some of this summary comes from the linked article in the article linked from FR
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2006/12/why-religion-matters-even-more-the-impact-of-religious-practice-on-social-stability


5 posted on 08/17/2013 8:44:49 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Vanders9

Loved the Ray comfort video where atheists stated that they would save their own dog before a neighbor if they were both drowning and could only save one of them.

Atheists are religious. They think they are God!!!


6 posted on 08/17/2013 8:53:46 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tbw2
in Darwinian terms - ill suited for life.

In those terms the only issue that matters is how likely they are to reproduce successfully.

In which believers are WAY out in front of atheists.

7 posted on 08/17/2013 8:54:39 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: tired&retired

Because it still takes FAITH not to believe in a God. Ergo, it’s a religion. They still worship nothing.


8 posted on 08/17/2013 8:55:36 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Vanders9

“average group differences in IQ”....

The really sad thing is not how stupid the average American is. The sad thing is that half the population is more stupid than the average American!!!!


9 posted on 08/17/2013 9:03:02 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: max americana
Because it still takes FAITH not to believe in a God. Ergo, it’s a religion. They still worship nothing.

Does a new born baby believe in God? What is a baby's religion?

10 posted on 08/17/2013 9:14:21 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: Vanders9

Only some of us, but it appears as though the truly delusional see their Gid to be a zombie who came back from the dead after three days.


11 posted on 08/17/2013 9:15:52 AM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Vanders9

I think that’s a little harsh, but I do believe it is humanity’s natural state to believe in a Creator or a Designer. A recent study on infants found it to be the case. They see design in the world around them without somebody telling them its there.

For this reason, I do consider atheists somewhat distant from our natural state.

If you had a new tribe stranded on an island who knew nothing of the world, no internet, no books, no speeches from anyone, over time what would they come to believe? History has very few examples of cases in which societies developed to be irreligious. People sought out causes and reason beyond the natural world, because the natural world cannot answer the most important questions of life. It is that search for truth that crafts ‘religion’.

To dissuade people from asking such questions and seeking out answers requires incredible opposite forces.
In the case of North Korea, the threat of death.
In the case of the UK, a slow, zombifying diet of reality T.V. and gossip magazines.


12 posted on 08/17/2013 9:22:46 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: freerepublicchat
Does a new born baby believe in God? What is a baby's religion?

Him or herself. Because we're all born spiritually blind.

13 posted on 08/17/2013 9:24:20 AM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: Vanders9

Yes.


14 posted on 08/17/2013 9:25:11 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Vanders9
Are Atheists mentally ill?


15 posted on 08/17/2013 9:36:02 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: freerepublicchat
Does a new born baby believe in God? What is a baby's religion?

The author is not speaking of the fine points of creed. Babies can't do math, either; but they are hardwired to do some eventually, and some scholars believe humans are hardwired for faith, as well. That may explain why atheists are so defensive about their belief system, even though it is based in denial.

16 posted on 08/17/2013 9:44:15 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: tbw2
The problem has become that intellectual abilities have become the measure of worth that our society has used to make value judgments about people.

It is *smart* people = valuable, and "dumb" people ≠ valuable.

There is so much more to personhood than intellectual abilities. What a random criteria to use to measure the value of a human life.

17 posted on 08/17/2013 9:44:22 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Vanders9

Fascinating you post this. Just last week, I was listening to a daily radio installment of the late, great J. Vernon McGee’s “Through the Bible” broadcast.

On this station, he is currently going through the Book of Psalms. On this day, he was discussing Psalm 14. In the first verse of this Psalm, we read, “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.”

First, we should keep in mind that, back in McGee’s day (he passed away in 1988), atheists were a much more exotic species than they are today. Nonetheless, they did exist, and McGee was unapologetic in his discussion of them. He says that Psalm 14:1 can be safely interpreted to say “the insane says in his heart there is no god.” I even found an online article by McGee saying the same thing: http://articles.ochristian.com/article15639.shtml

Additionally, John Calvin says in his commentary on this verse: “ . . . yet I am content to follow the more generally received interpretation, which is, that all profane persons, who have cast off all fear of God and abandoned themselves to iniquity, are convicted of *madness*. David does not bring against his enemies the charge of common foolishness, but rather inveighs against the folly and *insane* hardihood of those whom the world accounts eminent for their wisdom....” [Asterisks mine.]
http://www.studylight.org/com/cal/view.cgi?bk=18&ch=14

So, there is biblical support for the view that atheists are not mentally whole or stable or sane, though, of course, we live in an age which regards the atheist with more respect than the devout Christian believer.


18 posted on 08/17/2013 9:44:30 AM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: Vanders9

Christianity believes that because man is a fallen creature, and is in bondage to sin, and has a sinful nature, he is not able, on his own volition, to create a perfect society on earth. The only way he can be made perfect is by the grace of God. So, socialists need atheism in order to believe that man is capable of establishing a perfect socialist utopian heaven on earth without God’s help.


19 posted on 08/17/2013 9:55:10 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: mjp

So, socialists need atheism in order to believe that man is capable of establishing a perfect socialist utopian heaven on earth without God’s help.

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Great insight! Thank you.


20 posted on 08/17/2013 10:01:30 AM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: Vanders9

I’d take the rationality of most atheists over the theism of every Muslim.


21 posted on 08/17/2013 11:01:41 AM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: The Grammarian
We're all born spiritually blind.

I don't believe that at all.

In our hearts the Lord has embedded in ALL man the knowledge that HE "Is."

We may become "spiritually misguided" or deceived.

22 posted on 08/17/2013 11:06:54 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
The problem has become that intellectual abilities have become the measure of worth that our society has used to make value judgments about people.

It is *smart* people = valuable, and "dumb" people ≠ valuable.

Yup. Same of physical appearance, obviously.

23 posted on 08/17/2013 11:08:24 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: The Grammarian

At my father’s funeral, the priest pointed out that as children our parents are our first God. They know it all, take care of us, hold us, teach us. As we get older, we come to the place where we realize that our parents are mortals like us, and are fellow pilgrims on the road to God.

A baby is naturally self-centered, but he isn’t in awe of himself and doesn’t cry out to himself for aid.


24 posted on 08/17/2013 11:34:47 AM PDT by married21
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To: max americana
I don't believe in unicorns either, does that mean non-unicornism is also a religion? Does your unbelief in Zeus make that a religion?
25 posted on 08/17/2013 12:01:29 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: freerepublicchat

a baby is different from an adult. keep up...


26 posted on 08/17/2013 12:44:05 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Natufian

of course it is. what specifically and exactly made you not believe in unicorns?


27 posted on 08/17/2013 12:44:43 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: GraceG
Only the Rabid Militant ones who want to push atheism onto others like the Rabid Jihadi who wants to push Islamism...

or any other militant religious fanatics who want to force feed their religious practices onto others.
Don't forget the inquisition and the nut cases (Torquemada - among others) who ran it.

28 posted on 08/17/2013 2:05:14 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Vanders9
Are Atheists mentally ill?

This says it all about religion;
for those who believe an explanation is not necessary,
for those who disbelieve an explanation is impossible.

I heard this from Jeep10 on Paltalk many years ago. It still holds up.

Besides, God doesn't believe in atheist.

29 posted on 08/17/2013 2:29:45 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: max americana

The lack of evidence. Do you believe in unicorns?


30 posted on 08/17/2013 2:42:31 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

we are talking about you, not me unicorn boy.


31 posted on 08/17/2013 4:19:22 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: tired&retired

I think its more accurage to say the average American is ignorant rather than stupid, which is both better and worse. Better in the sense that you can do something about ignorance. Worse in the sense that so few people bother to.


32 posted on 08/17/2013 5:58:35 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Clemenza

Zombies dont eat fish. Or make logical arguments.


33 posted on 08/17/2013 5:59:52 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: The Grammarian

Yes, but the contention of the article is that we are all hard wired to develop a spirituality.


34 posted on 08/17/2013 6:02:46 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: mjp

Socialists dont neccesarily need to be atheists (or vice versa) but there is a strong philosophical link in that they are both Utopian systems.


35 posted on 08/17/2013 6:05:59 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: MosesKnows

I think thats a very good summation.


36 posted on 08/17/2013 6:09:16 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Natufian

Theres a “lack of evidence” for all manner of things, but people (icluding atheists) still believe in them. There are people who don’t think there’s enough evidence that a man walked on the moon. There are people who genuinely think there isn’t enough evidence that Al Quaeda carried out the 9/11 attacks. Now you think there’s a lack of evidence for the existence of the divine. Fine - but you have to concede there are plenty of people (far more in fact) who think there IS enough evidence. It follows that the quality of evidence must be a function of a belief system. After all, the available evidence is the same for everyone. Therefore you either believe or dont believe that it is sufficient. This is what MaxAmerica is trying to get over.


37 posted on 08/17/2013 6:20:53 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: max americana

I am not a Belieber


38 posted on 08/17/2013 7:18:07 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Drone strike on Michael Grunwald: you know it makes sense)
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To: max americana

Sounds like a ‘yes’. Interesting.


39 posted on 08/18/2013 1:18:29 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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A silly proposition since it only takes one “believer” with a higher IQ to prove the fallacy. But whatever, it’s an essential attribute for the atheist to declare intellectual supremacy.


40 posted on 08/18/2013 1:25:27 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Natufian

Your analogies are irrelevant without an accepted definition of God.


41 posted on 08/18/2013 1:32:55 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Vanders9

Evidence really isn’t a function of a belief system. The evidence that the earth is not flat is wholly independent of the belief systems of those who may continue to argue the opposite.

There’s no evidence that unicorns exist, hence my “un-belief” in unicorns. There’s nothing religious about that position. There’s nothing religious about my atheism.


42 posted on 08/18/2013 1:53:53 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Gene Eric

Do you have an accepted definition of everything you don’t believe in?


43 posted on 08/18/2013 1:56:30 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: All

Here is a tricky question.Would anyone believe in God if going to heaven was not in the equasion? If there is no heaven or hell, what would it matter? When some one can actually tell me where either one of these places exist I might change my mind.


44 posted on 08/18/2013 2:08:54 AM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: Natufian

Neither belief nor disbelief are conditional.


45 posted on 08/18/2013 2:36:59 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

Then how do you judge the veracity of what people tell you?


46 posted on 08/18/2013 2:43:30 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

To judge, one must have unconditional beliefs; otherwise, the judgement is arbitrary.


47 posted on 08/18/2013 2:54:41 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

So when someone tells you something, you merely believe it or not unconditionally. You don’t weigh up the evidence, your prior knowledge, the known interests and truthfulness of the person?


48 posted on 08/18/2013 3:04:48 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

Given the implication of your question, what’s the point of weighing evidence without belief?

What you accept as fact is nothing more than belief. You believe that to be true, no?


49 posted on 08/18/2013 3:13:07 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

So you do apply conditions, it’s just that you think those conditions are facets of your belief system.


50 posted on 08/18/2013 3:17:11 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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