Posted on 08/12/2013 3:23:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58
Regardless, I don't think songwise it's anything to get worked up over...Still a beautiful song and I get a blessing just singing it...
More accurately, the justice of God was satisfied.
I suppose I can see where they are coming from, but really, there’s too much ooey, gooey, nonsense out there.
Certainly at one time, God’s wrath was over emphasized, but it simply cannot be ignored. But to over emphasize the love and mercy to the exclusion of His justice and wrath is no better.
Amen to that...
In that context, so true...Praise God...
I don't disagree with that...
Without wrath, there is no salvation. What’s the point of being saved if there was never any jeopardy for sin to begin with???
God’s love stands in stark contrast to His wrath, yet He would not be God without both. To deny His wrath is to deny His righteousness (for it’s in perfect righteousness that His wrath is justified). To deny His righteousness is to deny Him.
The “feel-gooders” want God the grandfather, not God the Father. Fortunately, He is beyond the reach of their feeble and foolish attempts to redefine Him.
“Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!” Romans 5:9
Yes, there’s more of God’s wrath to come, but as others have already mentioned, His wrath will Passover those who are saved through Christ’s death on the cross.
Yes, that’s what irks me about this article: one group says God is wrathful, while the other group says He is all love.
None of them are saying He can be both.
So I’m glad you brought up what neither side seems willing to say.
Sure about that?
It is Bible correct that beautiful hymm, “In Christ Alone.”
I don't either.
Who is arguing that God enjoys inflicting pain and suffering?
The cross is an example of how much God loves us and wants us to return to Him as we were in the garden.
There are several things here that have biblically incorrect foundation. To make such a statement, one would have to deny the divinity of Jesus, as well as the Trinity. He's making a statement with the assumption that Jesus and God are wholly separate entities, with one imposing punishment on the other.
It is Bible correct that beautiful hymm, “In Christ Alone.”
Couldn't be more sure...
Yes, that occurred to me too. The concept of the Trinity is difficult for some to grasp, never the less, it's sound theology.
At the same time, I am so thankful that He loved us enough to give His only Son, so that by faith in Him, we could have everlasting life.
Cvengr, I am in full agreement as to how you describe God’s righteousness.
Do you believe Jesus’ blood was placed on the Mercy Seat?
If so, was it the blood of the sinless Man Jesus or the sinless God Jesus?
May God our Father lead us to His truth, BVB
The humanity of Jesus Christ was judged.
Careful,...there are millions of fallen angels who would love that conclusion.
I agree Jesus’ humanity was judged. It is the only way God could say this in Romans 5 and have the Cherubim from your post @11 allow Jesus’ blood to be placed on the Mercy Seat.
Jesus had to be exactly the same as Adam and us. God could not punish us for something we could not do. God had to prove His creation, man, could live a sinless life. His Christ is that proof for God’s supreme court in heaven with the Cherubim as judges.
God is omnipresent. He knew “His Son, a type of Him who was to come”, could and would live a sinless life.
Romans 5:6-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
Christ in Our Place
6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
May God our Father lead us to His truth, BVB
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