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To: BlatherNaut
"The fact that I oppose illegal immigration and amnesty . . ."

Illegal immigration and amnesty are tossed into the topic of this thread as if they are equal to or worse than the anti-Christ, anti-Christian, intrinsic evil of mass murder. That's the fact.

The issue was whether Catholic Bishops support the mass murder intrinsic to BarryCare and somehow that's not important if they don't have a suitable view on illegal immigration, a claim that the two things are equal pure and simple. There's no comparison at all but the immigration garbage is brought up as if it's equally evil when the claim that Catholic Bishops in this country supported the passage of BarryCare is refuted.

No matter what someone thinks about immigration, pretending it is as immoral in every way as mass murder is nothing but a typical Alynsky style diversionary tactic everyone tries these days to avoid looking at the real problem.

The immoral rot in this country manifests itself first and foremost in the acceptance of massive infanticide.

Immoral people ignore the law and once a people is so immoral that even the right to life itself is null and void immigration laws, drug laws, and even trivia like bankruptcy laws are all a joke anyway. Unless and until mass people can see the evil of mass infanticide what's done about the rest is all wasted effort anyway.

Until the basic morality of the majority of the population is addressed anything done about immigration will be totally ignored anyway just like drug laws are ignored.

39 posted on 08/12/2013 1:50:19 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Illegal immigration and amnesty are tossed into the topic of this thread as if they are equal to or worse than the anti-Christ, anti-Christian, intrinsic evil of mass murder.

Amnesty will will accelerate the evil of abortion. The only major political party that opposes abortion (tenuously) will become extinct with amnesty. Immigrants from Mexico and Central/South America vote for the party that promises them other people's money, which happens to be the party that promotes abortion. That is the connection.

An ancillary, or perhaps more intrinsic problem is the bishops' approval and promotion of statism, in this case government control of medical care. What they are in effect saying is, "Yes, I believe that the government should control every individual, (except us), and every organization, (except ours), and that the government should force every American citizen to comply with the demands of the Enlightened Government Elite, except for us.

A jackboot on the throats of everybody else, but give us an exemption. Now we hear whining because the jackboot makes no exceptions. Boo hoo.

40 posted on 08/12/2013 2:19:03 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Rashputin
There's no comparison at all but the immigration garbage is brought up as if it's equally evil when the claim that Catholic Bishops in this country supported the passage of BarryCare is refuted.

There is a bigger picture here. The bishops were ready to support Obamacare as long as their line in the sand (abortion) was not crossed (see Cardinal O'Malley's remarks, post #34). If abortion was taken off the table tomorrow, they would be in full support of socialized medicine once again.

Here is an apt description of those whom they have been willing to collaborate with politically in their pursuit of "universal healthcare":

..."You understand, venerable brethren, that We speak of that sect of men who, under various and almost barbarous names, are called socialists, communists, or nihilists, and who, spread over all the world, and bound together by the closest ties in a wicked confederacy, no longer seek the shelter of secret meetings, but, openly and boldly marching forth in the light of day, strive to bring to a head what they have long been planning—the overthrow of all civil society whatsoever". (QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS (On Socialism) - Pope Leo XIII

Abortion is no greater evil than euthanasia, or than the deliberate medical neglect of the elderly in hospitals in order to speed their demise, or the rationing and death panels which also comprise Obama's socialized deathcare program. Life must be protected at all stages. Pope John Paul II was a powerful witness to this teaching in his final years.

Under socialism, the value of individual lives is cheapened for the perceived good of the collective. Those considered useless (whether they be pre-born, sick, or elderly) are disposable.

Estimated number of victims (of communism, a socialist philosophy): 65 million in the People's Republic of China 20 million in the Soviet Union 2 million in Cambodia 2 million in North Korea 1.7 million in Africa 1.5 million in Afghanistan 1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe 1 million in Vietnam 150,000 in Latin America (mainly Cuba) 10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power."

Many bishops in this country support socialist programs, along with amnesty for illegals (whose voting patterns and dependence on government will shift the political balance in our country in favor of more extreme socialism). This results in the further empowerment of those whose goal is to cheapen the right to life. There is a huge political disconnect among those Catholics (including bishops) who seem to ignore Church teaching and the lessons of history in pursuit of "social justice" fueled by socialism, since socialism (empowered by swarms of immigrants who will by and large vote for socialist programs) promotes abortion, euthanasia, and elimination of those deemed "inconvenient" by the collective.

45 posted on 08/12/2013 4:30:03 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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