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Does The Orthodox Presbyterian Church use the Crucifix?
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Posted on 08/05/2013 10:31:02 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

So that explains why Catholics think they can behave however they want to, and still be called a Child of God.

Because they are told they can do whatever they want. You are not under the law of the commandments? wow.. You never have to correct your behavior, you can sin as much as you please?

And you still go to Heaven? Free salvation?

That is incredible.


901 posted on 08/15/2013 8:29:54 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

yes, free salvation!!!

but i wrote Christians are under the law of love, i suggest reading Luke 10:25-28.


902 posted on 08/15/2013 8:38:49 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Well, good luck to you. I don’t think your free and no strings attached salvation is going to give you any victory over the darkness.

And if salvation so uncomplicated and free, then everyone is saved, and there is no need for any thought about anything.

It is all just sort of an entertainment to go to church. Ok

I got it.


903 posted on 08/15/2013 8:46:37 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: mdmathis6
It’s a way of saying that the act of taking bread and cup as part of the ceremony of remembering Christ’s sacrifice is looked upon by God as the soul having shared Christ’s life as it was given for us...even if the bread remains bread and the wine remains wine as opposed to simply just having supper! Within the context of communion, to take such cup and wine and toss them back haphazardly, without proper reverence and examination of one’s own heart and soul is to bring damnation to one’s self as Paul taught. Taking bread and wine in the context of supper is simply that...supper!

Thank you. That is the way I see it as well. Partaking of the bread and cup in an "unworthy" manner relates both to our recognition of what these elements represent and our receiving of them showing our faith in Christ's sacrifice for us as well as acknowledging the relationship we have with each other as the body of Christ. Paul said we were to examine ourselves before we participate so that we do not bring the Lord's discipline upon ourselves and that we properly reverence His gift of grace for us as well as each other.

904 posted on 08/15/2013 9:37:19 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: verga; imardmd1
Your answers only hold true if you are Catholic. Are you now Claiming to be Catholic and accepting all of our doctrines and dogmatic articles of faith?

Nope, I don't agree with you. These answers "hold true" for ALL those who share the Christian faith as taught in Holy Scripture. Using the adjective "catholic" as if it was always the proper name of the church of Jesus Christ is disingenuous. When it first started being used (late first century) it was simply to describe the universal Christian faith as announced by Jesus Christ and taught by His disciples and Apostles. EVERYTHING that belongs to this rule of faith is found in the Bible. On some of these tenets, even the Roman Catholic Church of today has held to and taught as articles of the faith. Were I living back in that time, I would certainly be part of one of the same churches as the Apostles established and the catholicity of my faith would contain the same doctrines I believe are eternal to this day. They are the ones that do not change because they are THE truth.

905 posted on 08/15/2013 10:36:56 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: verga; imardmd1
Correction re, "catholic": When it first started being used (late first early second century by Ignatius of Antioch) it was simply to describe the universal Christian faith as announced by Jesus Christ and taught by His disciples and Apostles.
906 posted on 08/15/2013 10:50:13 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Of the widely used ‘translations,’ The NIV group is the least reliable, and the most deeply and deliberately corrupted.

On this, I agree with you completely. When I mentioned Dr. Paine and his commitment to the NIV concept, it was not with approval. In fact, again let me again recommend the two books I mentioned on that post. Salliby compares NIV with KJV head-to-head, and shows just how compromised the NIV is.

907 posted on 08/16/2013 1:29:27 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Elsie
it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

This is a mistranslation. There is no pronoun in the Greek text, no "their" which would have to be genitive. The word is the definite article, and it is in the dative case, as is the word "dogs." The correct phrase is "τοις κυναριοις" = "to the dogs." And actually, it is not "dogs," it is "puppies."

908 posted on 08/16/2013 2:35:39 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Truth2012

No.

I was posting the FACT that Jesus called some group dogs, while someone in this thread is being chastised for calling someone a dog.


909 posted on 08/16/2013 3:15:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
teaching them to observe all that i have commanded you and lo, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, to the close of the age.

HMMMmmm...



1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


 

 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


910 posted on 08/16/2013 3:18:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
I hope no one makes the mistake of believing that the human nature of Jesus limits His divine nature.

The only limit I can find is SELF imposed.


Philippians 2:7-9

…7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,…


He is co-equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit and has all the attributes and power that they have.

John 14:28

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

911 posted on 08/16/2013 3:24:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Truth2012
Anyway, you can’t proxy baptize anyone anyway. It is silly.

That's what the Jews were told to; but they are STILL upset over the practice.


Is PROXY praying for someone 'silly'; for it takes a LOT more effort and dedication to get yourself WET for another.

If it's not 'silly', then WHY not?

912 posted on 08/16/2013 3:27:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Christians do not keep the Sabbath, since Jesus fulfilled the law and kept it perfectly on our behalf.

And, more importantly, SABBATH keeping is part of the LAW - the CONTRACT (covenant) GOD made with ONE specific group of people, the Chosen Ones - the Jews.

You'll find NO mention of it at all in the letter sent to the Gentiles described in Acts chapter fifteen.


Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

913 posted on 08/16/2013 3:32:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
...anyone who believes such nonsense i guess will believe anything....like Jesus did not turn water into wine for instance!

..or that MARY is somehow in Heaven; working 24/7/365/1000 to get Jesus' attention for us poor souls.

914 posted on 08/16/2013 3:34:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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...and who is living according to the way Christ handed on to us.

Sorry Jesus; but your words in John 6:29 seem to have fallen on deaf ears.

915 posted on 08/16/2013 3:36:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
On this, I agree with you completely.

Then you, also, should be able to provide some PROOF that the 'NIV group is the least reliable, and the most deeply and deliberately corrupted' - RIGHT??

916 posted on 08/16/2013 3:38:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
Well then, Greek scholar; could you CORRECT this verse; too?


"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

917 posted on 08/16/2013 3:41:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

What an impressive spokesman you have! :o/


918 posted on 08/16/2013 4:11:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Elsie

That’s between you and Jesus, my dear.


919 posted on 08/16/2013 4:11:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: boatbums; one Lord one faith one baptism
When it first started being used (late first century) it was simply to describe the universal Christian faith as announced by Jesus Christ and taught by His disciples and Apostles. EVERYTHING that belongs to this rule of faith is found in the Bible.

This statement is disingenuous. History teaches us that while the writings for the Bible existed at the end of the first century there were also numerous heretical writings that were being accepted. It was up to the successors of the apostles to examine and discern which ones were apostolic in nature and exclude those that were not.

From post 900

Justin Martyr, Apology, I.66-67, 2nd century: Communion in the Body and Blood of Christ It is allowed to no one else to participate in that food which we call Eucharist except the one who believes that the things taught by us are true, who has been cleansed in the washing unto rebirth and the forgiveness of sins and who is living according to the way Christ handed on to us. For we do not take these things as ordinary bread or ordinary drink. Just as our Savior Jesus Christ was made flesh by the word of God and took on flesh and blood for our salvation, so also were we taught that the food, for which thanksgiving has been made through the word of prayer instituted by him, and from which our blood and flesh are nourished after the change, is the flesh of that Jesus who was made flesh. Indeed, the Apostles, in the records left by them which are called gospels, handed on that it was commanded to them in this manner: Jesus, having taken bread and given thanks said, ``Do this in memory of me, this is my body.’’ Likewise, having taken the cup and given thanks, he said, ``This is my blood’’, and he gave it to them alone

Were I living back in that time, I would certainly be part of one of the same churches as the Apostles established and the catholicity of my faith would contain the same doctrines I believe are eternal to this day. They are the ones that do not change because they are THE truth.

If you refuse to accept the teaching that the Eucharist is actually/literally the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus you would not have been able to then, and can't now.

920 posted on 08/16/2013 4:20:09 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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