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Archbishop Tutu 'would not worship a homophobic God' ("Would rather go to Hell")
BBC ^ | July 26, 2013

Posted on 07/27/2013 2:36:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

South Africa's Nobel peace laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu says he will never worship a "homophobic God" and will rather go to hell.

The retired archbishop was speaking at the launch of a UN-backed campaign in South Africa to promote gay rights.

Despite sex-same relationships being legal in South Africa, it had some of the worst cases of homophobic violence, UN human rights chief Navi Pillay said.

Archbishop Tutu, 81, is a long-standing campaigner for gay rights.

'Toilet brush attack'

He retired as Archbishop of Cape Town in 1996, but has remained the moral conscience of the nation, correspondents say.

Same-sex relationships are illegal in more than a third of countries around the world and punishable by death in five, Ms Pillay said.

In Africa, homosexual acts are still a crime in 38 countries, according to the rights group Amnesty International.

"I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven. No, I would say sorry, I mean I would much rather go to the other place," Archbishop Tutu said at the launch of the Free and Equal campaign in Cape Town.

"I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this."(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: africa; desmondtutu; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; southafrica; theology; tutu

1 posted on 07/27/2013 2:36:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go to Hell.


2 posted on 07/27/2013 2:39:20 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I doubt that the Creator of the Universe is anything-phobic. Its bad enough to apply the homophobic tag to people who are not afraid of homosexuality, but to apply it to God is just stupid. Even for a Leftist who pretends to be a Man of God.


3 posted on 07/27/2013 2:40:17 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What other of G-d’s rules do you not wish to follow, Mr. Tutu?


4 posted on 07/27/2013 2:40:55 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He should have a talk with his good buddy Mugabe.


5 posted on 07/27/2013 2:42:30 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” .... rather go to hell.”

It’s really of his choosing.


6 posted on 07/27/2013 2:43:58 PM PDT by boycott
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
He should have a talk with his good buddy Mugabe.

Perhaps he should: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Threatens to Behead Homosexuals

7 posted on 07/27/2013 2:45:53 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

8 posted on 07/27/2013 2:48:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (o : Tagline Test ; -)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tutu must wear a Tutu.....what an IDIOT.


9 posted on 07/27/2013 2:48:41 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Satan said words of similar effect.


10 posted on 07/27/2013 2:49:47 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
South Africa's Nobel peace laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu says he will never worship a "homophobic God" and will rather go to hell.

Hey Tutu or Fufu, whatever you call yourself. I have no doubt that Hell & the Lake of Fire is your destination throughout eternity. Be not deceived, God is not mocked! You will roast in Hell forever, for your rebellion & lack of salvation. The words that you speak so arrogantly is this life will haunt you & echo back to you throughout eternity in Hell.

11 posted on 07/27/2013 2:53:45 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He probably should pack light weight summer clothing for his final trip.


12 posted on 07/27/2013 2:58:33 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Homophobic: an irrational fear of sodomites.

Who thinks God is afraid of gays? He loves them and died for them as he did all sinners.

Does Desmond Tutu think that God has sin-ophobia? God isn't afraid of anything. He's not afraid of sin but hates sin like he does cancer. Is God cancer-phobic?

"Homophobic" is another confused oxymoron like "gay rights." It confuses fear with hate and confuses the sin with the sinner. Satan wants the world (and as many Christians as possible) to think that God is angry with and hates the gays because of their perverse life style. But Satan is a liar.

The cross of Jesus Christ was the only way sin could be separated from the sinner. Because of the incredible sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross ALL of EVERYONE'S sins past, present, and future were completely and fully judged by God the Father on his beloved Son Jesus Christ because of his great love for us. On the cross, God was able to separate out and fully judge destructive and deadly sin which he hates while preserving the sinner in the person Jesus Christ.

God isn't afraid of sodomy, he hates sodomy. God doesn't hate or fear the sodomite, he loves him and gave his only Son for him.

13 posted on 07/27/2013 2:59:04 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Through hard work, I'm convinced missionary efforts could have such acts criminalized in several of these gray areas. Particularly CAR. That would show this heretic.
14 posted on 07/27/2013 2:59:50 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

South Africa is much like another country in the Southern Hemisphere, Argentina, which sank from a relatively prosperous standing into a morass of social despair and endless unrest. And for much the same reason - endless agitation for “social justice” and a redress of all real and imagined wrongs by the “rich”.

Argentina and South Africa have traveled somewhat different paths, in that South Africa has not had anybody of quite the resolve of Eva Peron to personally drain the national treasury, but the same feelings of “us against them” were exploited to the fullest. South Africa has managed to stay above insolvency just because of the extraction of gold and other minerals, keeping them in a relative positive balance of trade. Argentina lost its dominance of trade in processed beef quite early on, when the First World War ended, and foreign exchange dried up.

“Progressive” policies in both countries led to their present loss of national focus. And both countries give us a preview of what lies in wait for the territory once known as “the United States of America”.


15 posted on 07/27/2013 3:01:42 PM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hell is exactly where necktie Tutu is going.


16 posted on 07/27/2013 3:08:57 PM PDT by pallis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So the glory of heaven...or someone’s butt crack....and the butt crack wins every time. How special!


17 posted on 07/27/2013 3:12:56 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This clown is an “archbishop” and sounds like he’s never read the Bible. Just wondering if he bought his vestments in a surplus store, but just in case, he should read Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. Won’t bother mentioning Leviticus because some Christians think it’s no longer binding (protip: some parts arent’t but some parts still are).


18 posted on 07/27/2013 3:13:16 PM PDT by steelhead_trout
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To: Viennacon

The poorest and most violent African countries are also the most liberal. Coincidence? I think not!


19 posted on 07/27/2013 3:17:00 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This makes me very, very sad.

God will surely give Tutu his wish.


20 posted on 07/27/2013 3:22:27 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rom 9:13


21 posted on 07/27/2013 3:23:39 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He needn’t have any concerns about his eventual destination, he’s figured it out as accurately as any human being is capable (Hell).


22 posted on 07/27/2013 3:41:31 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
God isn't AFRAID of anything!!! enjoy hell...
23 posted on 07/27/2013 3:45:59 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The proper headline should be:

“Former Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu Rejects God, Asks To Be Cast Into Hell”


24 posted on 07/27/2013 3:56:04 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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“Former Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu Rejects God, Asks To Be Cast Into Hell”

Accurate but sad.


25 posted on 07/27/2013 4:00:01 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Millions who have said, "I deserve to go to Hell," have found the grace of God all sufficient, and have found Christ and Heaven.

A man who says, "I would rather go to Hell," will get his 'druthers.'

26 posted on 07/27/2013 4:02:29 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
More proof that this man has absolutely no concept of the supernatural.

Only a man who neither loves God nor fears Satan would make such an idiotic statement.

27 posted on 07/27/2013 4:15:24 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This Jew-hating douchebag is going to hell anyway.


28 posted on 07/27/2013 4:15:47 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
South Africa's Nobel peace laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu says he will never worship a "homophobic God" and will rather go to hell

What a reckless statement. If Tutu had any idea how utterly horrible Hell will be, he might want to reconsider his stance. I think it will be infinitely worse than anyone can endure, but endure it they must. He needs to repent, because My opinion is, he never has.

29 posted on 07/27/2013 4:29:08 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

he is going to Hell already....
he doesn’t need to “prefer it” now....

Genesis 12:3


30 posted on 07/27/2013 4:36:09 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He must think hell is tolerable. Not having been there personally I have read enough to know it is not. Not only is it intolerable, it is unimaginable pain, suffering and sorrow. No thanks. Another lost and deceived soul who really isn’t a believer after all. Making war on God never ends well I’m afraid


31 posted on 07/27/2013 4:37:50 PM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

God may give him a pass for being a “low-information” theologian, but I doubt it.


32 posted on 07/27/2013 4:48:57 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, except for five women in Sanford, FL, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Mark17

A man like Tutu can’t easily repent; his heart was turned over to a reprobate mind years ago.


33 posted on 07/27/2013 4:49:53 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, except for five women in Sanford, FL, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: SaintDismas

He reminds me of what Ted Turner said some time ago:

“I’d like to see a religion where everybody was good. Not just the members of that sect. I mean I’m sick of it. Heaven is going to be a mighty slender place. And most of the people I know in life aren’t going to be there. There are a few notable exceptions and I’ll miss them. (Laughter) Remember, heaven is going to be perfect. And I don’t really want to be there...Those of us that go to hell, which will be most of us in this room, most journalists are certainly going there. (Laughter). Anyway, because they are not that religious because they know too much. But, when we get there we’ll have a chance to make things better because hell is supposed to be a mess. And heaven is perfect. Who wants to go to a place that’s perfect? Boring, boring.” (Laughter)


34 posted on 07/27/2013 5:22:53 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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Yes friend. They don’t get it I guess and it’s truly frightening. Why are they putting themselves out as holy men and then proclaim such a thing? They will be held acountable for all the souls they deceive into believing they know better than The Lord about his creation and how He ordered it. It’s enough to make you cry more so for his gullible followers, right off the cliff


35 posted on 07/27/2013 5:31:36 PM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: Theodore R.
A man like Tutu can’t easily repent; his heart was turned over to a reprobate mind years ago.

He may have already passed the point of no return, but only God knows for sure.

36 posted on 07/27/2013 5:35:00 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

phobia=irrational fear of _________
omnipotent=all powerful

Couple of question for you Tu:

Do you believe God is omnipotent?

How can an Omnipotent God have an irrational fear of ________ (fill in the blank of your choice)?

Put another way, can He have a fear and remain omnipotent?


37 posted on 07/27/2013 6:14:46 PM PDT by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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“....but has remained the moral conscience of the nation....”

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It’s not saying much of that poor nation.


38 posted on 07/27/2013 6:48:35 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Suspect Mr Tutu will get a chance to test his theorem.


39 posted on 07/27/2013 6:57:01 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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Desmond Mpilo Tutu (born 7 October 1931) is a South African social rights activist and retired Anglican bishop who rose to worldwide fame during the 1980s as an opponent of apartheid. He was the first black South African Archbishop of Cape Town and primate of the Church of the Province of Southern Africa (now the Anglican Church of Southern Africa).
40 posted on 07/27/2013 7:53:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ReformationFan

This reminds me of a bizarre thing I saw back before Obama had even become the Democrat nominee.

As was typical in primary season, there was a little speculation about the candidates, that one of them might be the antichrist. Happens every election. But among Obama’s passionate supporters, one of them said something so outrageous that I have never forgotten it.

“I hope that Obama *is* the antichrist, because he would be powerful, and give us the stuff we want, and punish our enemies.”

Obama to one side, here is a person, almost certainly not a Christian, and most likely an atheist, who is so disconnected from reality that they would embrace “the ultimate evil”, out of the hope of getting free stuff and getting revenge on those he hates.

In this case, it doesn’t really matter what “the ultimate evil” is. It doesn’t even need to be the antichrist, as long as it is powerful enough to support their greed and hate.

In any event, I started collecting some of the pseudo-religious or even religious references to Obama made by all sorts of people, even literate and lettered ones, that came across as them worshiping someone they hoped was their greed and hate messiah.

And setting aside both the antichrist and Obama, this is incredibly disturbing. People so focused on greed and hate that they would follow Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, anyone, who promises them “stuff” and to hurt their enemies.

Still just a small number of people, I suspect that their numbers are growing, such as the “rejecting God three times” bit at the Democrat convention.

Now look at someone like Desmond Tutu or Rowan Williams, the former Archbishop of Canterbury as well as a druid high priest. Even high clergy are infected with this insanity.

Even without involvement of demonic forces or the antichrist, this is very, very bad.


41 posted on 07/27/2013 8:01:37 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

That’s a really creepy story.


42 posted on 07/27/2013 8:07:19 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow, how self-important and arrogant does one have to be to decide what is and isn’t appropriate for God to pronounce???.....


43 posted on 07/27/2013 8:53:09 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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