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Christian Nation:Consider yourself warned-Worried that US could become an autocratic theocracy?
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | July 21, 2013 | Paul Zotter

Posted on 07/21/2013 6:59:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Frederic C. Rich's speculative novel "Christian Nation" is about the rise of an authoritarian theocracy in the United States. The author's disclaimer calls the book a "warning" and not a prediction. But as the book's cover says, in a twist on the Sinclair Lewis novel, "It could happen here."

The book opens in 2029. Greg, an ambitious lawyer who also serves as the tale's narrator, has been asked to write his memories of the circumstances and events that led to the nation's condition.

Greg is a college student in 1998 when the memoir begins. At that point, he isn't too concerned with the direction the country is headed. He details his friendship with Sanjay, his intelligent and charismatic roommate who becomes wealthy by creating a social networking site called "You and I" in the early 2000s.

Sanjay becomes aware of the ultra-Christian Dominionist and Reconstructionist movements -- which do exist in real-life America, though not as formal organizations -- and how they are able to effect national events. In response, he creates and funds a watchdog organization called Theocracy Watch in 2008 after selling You and I. Greg and Sanjay reunite on a professional basis several years later when Greg joins the group as a legal counsel and senses the upcoming confrontation....

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: christianity; christians; dominionism; palin
No, I did NOT make up the author's name! LOL
1 posted on 07/21/2013 6:59:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not in the way the author means. It has more likelihood to become a Muslim, not a Christian/Jewish, theocracy the way we are going.


2 posted on 07/21/2013 7:01:29 PM PDT by madison10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We live now in a Marxist-Socialist Theocracy. What is Rich thinking?


3 posted on 07/21/2013 7:07:39 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: madison10

Absolutely correct.

I have worked among virtually every sect/type of Christian group and the ultra-Christian Dominionist and Reconstructionist movements are a tiny minority of Christians. And, not that influential for their numbers.

A bridge too far, for sure.


4 posted on 07/21/2013 7:09:42 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: madison10

The New Testament has no mandate for the construction of a Christian government short of the return of Jesus Christ in person, so any attempt to construct one is by definition extrabiblical. You’d certainly get a grand fight against this concept by most mainline fundies, including the Southern Baptists.


5 posted on 07/21/2013 7:11:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The irony is that, as the USA becomes significantly less Christian by the year, the left-wing nutbags become more and more paranoid about a Christian theocracy. When these leftwing idiots see someone praying in public, they get weak in the knees and cry “Oh how could this happen in America!” as if the very foundation of this country weren’t Christianity.


6 posted on 07/21/2013 7:13:07 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What most fundies would like to see is evangelization success at the personal level. When the PEOPLE who carry out government are Christian, then Christian values will prevail and it will be, in fact, more tolerant towards other faith systems than a government of agnostics and atheists would be.


7 posted on 07/21/2013 7:14:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: fr_freak

I’ve had, well, interesting Freep conversations with one person of this ilk that I won’t mention here, but a look back in my history will show it. To hear him, you’d think that Lutheran homeschooled fundies were successfully plotting to take over the world.


8 posted on 07/21/2013 7:16:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

BINGO!


9 posted on 07/21/2013 7:18:00 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Arlis; HiTech RedNeck

Despite that, and the comments in the following post from HiTech RedNeck, the extremist Left believes this a very real scenario, from what I have seen. Remember, these are people without a strong grasp on reality.


10 posted on 07/21/2013 7:18:15 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Kind of reminiscent of the proverb about the wicked (due to being godless) being afraid of blowing leaves. With no spiritual anchor that can be counted on, anything can upset your apple cart with ease.


11 posted on 07/21/2013 7:21:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Something that sets conservatives apart from liberals is that our big conspiracy theory -- that there was a communist plot directed from Moscow and that our government had been infiltrated at the highest levels -- turned out to be true. It is now a well documented fact of history that even liberals have to acknowledge. Meanwhile their big fear of a theocratic takeover is pure silliness, which to me is very telling. Note only their hopes and aspirations for the country but even their very fears are at odds with reality.
12 posted on 07/21/2013 7:33:32 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Communists wanted to do this.

98% of Christians don’t want to do that. Many would like to see a large proportion of Christians in the country, but that’s a different aspiration.


13 posted on 07/21/2013 7:36:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Worried that US could become an autocratic theocracy?"

It already happened. Fundamentalist Leftism is a religion.

14 posted on 07/21/2013 7:41:30 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s right. And I wonder how paranoid liberals explain that despite the country being distinctly more Christian in the past and much less “progressive” it never came close to being a theocracy. I’m sure their theory must account for that somehow.


15 posted on 07/21/2013 7:42:32 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

They push their definition of “theocracy” way to the sensitive end, is what they do. There were occasional clashes, and atheists had to sit through other people’s prayers from time to time, but nothing on the usurping scale of what, say, the Obamination is trying to get Hobby Lobby to do.


16 posted on 07/21/2013 7:46:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: fr_freak
"The irony is that, as the USA becomes significantly less Christian by the year, the left-wing nutbags become more and more paranoid about a Christian theocracy."

Yes, at a time when we are beginning to see Christians sued by state governments for opposing gay marriage, when colleges and universities discriminate against Christian student organizations, when the military is cracking down on expressions of Christian belief, they are worried about a Christian theocracy?

But if you warn them of the growing Islamization of Europe - for which there is ample evidence - they will simply laugh, call you an Islamophobe, and stick their heads back in the sand.
17 posted on 07/21/2013 7:53:13 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Yardstick
"That’s right. And I wonder how paranoid liberals explain that despite the country being distinctly more Christian in the past and much less “progressive” it never came close to being a theocracy. I’m sure their theory must account for that somehow."

For them a "theocracy" is a country in which a president or politician occasionally makes a reference to Christian faith, no matter how detached the statement might be from any specific policy - unless, of course, they know the president is lying about his faith, as with Obama.
18 posted on 07/21/2013 7:56:30 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: YHAOS

Correction: The USA is a corrupt criminal marxist dictatorship kleptocracy at present.


19 posted on 07/21/2013 8:05:54 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The hard-core democrats and left-wing types seem far more concerned about “radical, evangelical-Christian, gun-toting, right-wingers” than anything else.

They think conservative Christians are just aching to get control and shove gays and all minorities into concentration camps.

Of course, as you all know, the irony in all this is that this is far more likely to happen to conservatives and Christians, either from an Islamic controlled government or a government run-amok like we’re getting now.

Extreme political correctness laws, gun-control, crony capitalism, government that refuses to enforce the rule of law regarding protection of the individual citizen, private property, First Amendment protections for its citizens and private enterprise, and an encouragement of fear among all the differing ethnic groups to further promote and cement schisms and factions in our populace.

All these things and more lead to autocratic, authoritarian government - don’t we have that now with same-sex marriage being thrown on the states, and Obamacare forcing individuals, businesses, and states into something or else?

The truth is, the secular, marxist, amoral autocracy is already here.


20 posted on 07/21/2013 8:38:10 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The book opens in 2029. Greg, an ambitious lawyer who also serves as the tale's narrator, has been asked to write his memories of the circumstances and events that led to the nation's condition. Greg is a college student in 1998 when the memoir begins. At that point, he isn't too concerned with the direction the country is headed. He details his friendship with Sanjay, his intelligent and charismatic roommate who becomes wealthy by creating a social networking site called "You and I" in the early 2000s. Sanjay becomes aware of the ultra-Christian Dominionist and Reconstructionist movements -- which do exist in real-life America, though not as formal organizations -- and how they are able to effect national events. In response, he creates and funds a watchdog organization called Theocracy Watch in 2008 after selling You and I. Greg and Sanjay reunite on a professional basis several years later when Greg joins the group as a legal counsel and senses the upcoming confrontation....

LOL - by 1998, any "Dominionist/Reconstructionist" threat that may have existed had subsided in politics, except in the fevered minds of the liberal press.

21 posted on 07/21/2013 8:53:18 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“To hear him, you’d think that Lutheran homeschooled fundies were successfully plotting to take over the world.”

YOU LEFT OFF,

WITH JOO FUNDING...


22 posted on 07/21/2013 9:18:56 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: YHAOS

YHAOS wrote:
“We live now in a Marxist-Socialist Theocracy. What is Rich thinking?”

It’s a typical alinsky tactic:

ACCUSE YOUR OPPONENT OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING.


23 posted on 07/21/2013 9:20:32 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Arlis

And the Reconstructionist types, like Muslims, can’t even agree with each other. They split into smaller and smaller groups until they are a one-family home “church” with dad as the pope.

Leftists should look in the mirror if they want to see tyrants who crave power over others.


24 posted on 07/21/2013 9:28:12 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“They’ll turn our precious empire into a Christian theocracy, my king”

“Feed these filthy Christians to the lions!”

(Future reality)


25 posted on 07/21/2013 9:51:22 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: FlyingEagle
Correction: The USA is a corrupt criminal marxist dictatorship kleptocracy at present.

You are right. I used to think that good people would turn this all around, but instead of turning things around, it only gets worse. I hate to be fatalistic, but how long did it take Russia to free itself from communism?

26 posted on 07/21/2013 10:24:00 PM PDT by Mark17 (A creepy a$$ cracker, retiring in the Philippines)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Revolt is coming.


27 posted on 07/21/2013 10:37:56 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oh, geeze, not THIS crap again!!!
28 posted on 07/22/2013 3:08:36 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Yehuda
"It’s a typical alinsky tactic:"

Yes. Of course.

29 posted on 07/22/2013 12:14:51 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Lutheran homeschooled fundies were successfully plotting to take over the world.”

Garrison Keillor of the “Prairie Home Companion” would have a ball with that concept!


30 posted on 08/01/2013 4:15:10 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guys like this shouldn’t worry. The moslems will save him. [/sarcasm]


31 posted on 08/01/2013 5:37:31 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Yehuda

Which would be weird because he’s really beating on Martin Luther for one of his early, intemperate diatribes against the Jews... which Luther later regretted but the book was out there, he could not do anything about that wretched work. “Like guy, make up your mind, are the Jews buddy buddy with Lutherans or not???”


32 posted on 08/01/2013 6:31:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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