Skip to comments.Ankara Upset at Vatican for Popes Remarks on Mass Killings of Armenians
Posted on 06/08/2013 10:37:59 AM PDT by marshmallow
Turkey has reacted angrily to the Vatican following a statement from Pope Francis describing the mass killings of Armenians during World War I as the first genocide of the twentieth century during a meeting with a delegation led by Patriarch of Cilicia of Armenian Catholics on June 3.
The Turkish Foreign Ministry delivered Turkeys views on the issue and expressed disappointment to the embassy in Ankara and Vatican in Rome, a Turkish diplomat told the Hürriyet Daily News on June 7.
Pope Francis described the mass killings of Armenians during World War I as the first genocide of the 20th century during a meeting with a delegation led by Patriarch of Cilicia of Armenian Catholics on June 3.
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I would be upset too ... if there had been an earlier one.
Gosh, Turkey, I guess you’re upset that people know about it.
“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” —George Orwell
Get over it you bearded savages.
...following a statement from Pope Francis describing the mass killings of Armenians during World War I as "the first genocide of the twentieth century"...Records are made to be broken.
We have enough problems. IMO the issue appears to be the word genocide.
Plus I worked with a number of Turks, lived in Ankara for a time, and I have great respect for the Turkish people.
Our own Ambassador Morgenthau in those years reported the atrocities of the Ottomans against Armenian civilians living in Turkey. There is no doubt about that.
I believe that modern Turkey recognizes the horrific deaths -- and asks about recognizing Turk civilians killed in that W.W.I Ottoman Empire vs. Russian Empire (that included Armenia I believe) conflict as well as post-war conflicts.
According to this source the Ottoman Empire Casualties from those years included 4,200,000 civilians.
Total Deaths: 5,000,000 (Rank = 1 / 16)
Total Deaths % of pop.: 23.5% (Rank = 1 / 16)
Troops: 2,850,000 (Rank = 8 / 16)
Troops % of pop.: 13.4% (Rank = 8 / 16)
Military Deaths: 800,000 (Rank = 6 / 16)
Military Deaths % of Troops: 28.1% (Rank = 3 / 16)
Civilian Deaths: 4,200,000 (Rank = 1 / 16)
Civilian Deaths % of pop.: 19.7% (Rank = 1 / 16)
I believe that the modern Republic of Turkey acknowledges the horrific death toll and the roll of the Ottoman Empire but they object to labeling it genocide. That word is factor for reasons mentioned in a link below.
There are those other 2+ million. The Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire that included Armenia were at war. Are those two million the Turkish civilians killed by Russian Empire troops in the fighting? And the fighting after both the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire collapsed but fighting continued between Turks and Armenians?
This is no attempt to mitigate the horror. Even the modern constitutional democratic Republic of Turkey has admitted the horror. But calling it genocide? Here's something on that.
Labeling the atrocities genocide appears to be an attempt to assist in getting resolutions from our government and countries around the world that will bolster Armenia's case against modern Turkey to reclaim land and other assets lost 100 years ago.
[Excerpt ]"The real purpose of the resolution is not recognition of the Armenian Genocide, but a political struggle the issue of which side has a larger political capital in Washington. . . . [T]he admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is an issue of secondary importance for us. . . . our lands were seized and our 3,000-year-old culture was destroyed. . . . Therefore, our true demand is compensation for this injustice. . . . Now specialists must study the lawyers advice and decide which issue should be submitted to which court, as there is the International Court of Justice, European Court of Human Rights, US Federal Courts, etc. This is a most important issue. It must be studied with all seriousness, because, if we lose in court, Turkey will claim that Armenians have no legal demands."
Well, maybe you shouldn’t have actually done what everyone is accusing you of.
The Pope shouldn’t tell the truth?
The thing is that the Turks can admit to genocide without giving back the Armenians their land