Gay Scouts USA

Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. I’m Michael Voris.

Have you heard all those loud lamentations from the Church of Nice over the collapse of the Boy Scouts in the face of the homosexual juggernaut?

Yea .. didn’t think so. That’s because there aren’t any. Right on cue .. predictably .. the American Patriotic Church immediately deflected the central issue and went straight to a side issue that couldn’t be more irrelevant.

According to media reports .. Edward P. Martin, chairman of the National Catholic Committee on Scouting, wrote to Catholic Scouts, “Scouting is still the best youth-serving program available to all youth.”

Martin added, “We should be encouraged that the change in BSA’s youth membership standard is not in conflict with Catholic teaching. ”

But see – that’s the not the concern .. it’s entirely the wrong question to ask – does the new Boy Scout policy conflict with Church teaching? Entirely wrong question.

There are various policies the Boy Scouts could institute that would not be in conflict with Church teaching that are nevertheless dangerous to them – for example, what if the BSA suddenly instituted a pro-smoking policy at all there meetings.

What if they said, to compete with the Girl Scouts who sell cookies for a fund-raising campaign, we are going to start selling cartons of cigarettes to raise funds.

That wouldn’t be in conflict with Church teaching, but it still would be injurious.

The REAL question that the Church of Nice is ducking here is this – is this new policy of accepting openly homosexual boys into the Scouts placing my son’s soul in an unnecessary risk?

The fact that the policy doesn’t conflict with Church teaching is a red herring. THAT means nothing.

What matters is one thing – how this will be interpreted and lived out in the scouts day to day experience. A Catholic parent whose son is a scout now faces the dilemma that they are packing their son off to an organization where if the topic comes up .. and seriously, how can it NOT come up, unofficially at least .. that it must be treated as normal as being straight.

So at home, the boy hears homosexuality is an objective disorder and to engage in this behavior is intrinsically evil, and then he heads off to the camp meeting and hears the exact opposite.

And for those who say, the Boy Scouts aren’t condoning the behavior – yes they are, be extension.

They young fellow who is today a Scout will tomorrow be an adult male. Do the Scouts really want us to believe that the official policy is that in the future, their one-time boy scouts remain celibate for life?

If that is the new policy .. accept the human, but decry the behavior as intrinsically evil and something to always be avoided, then they need to say that.

Given the current cultural climate where anyone resisting the militant homosexual agenda is labeled as a hater or the made up psychological disorder of being homophobic .. the continuing pressure placed on every organization to accept not just a homosexual person, but the activity that the militants say DEFINE them .. then for the Boy Scouts to cave looks exactly like that .. CAVING IN .. the latest domino to fall in Satan’s game.

The proper and really only authentic Catholic response to this should be to sever ties with the whole organization and go start the Catholic scouting movement. Why should Catholic parents place the souls of their sons in unnecessary risk?

Talk about earning a merit badge! Parents could use this as a fantastic teaching moment with their boys – explain that there is good and evil in the world, that sometimes life has to change to do what is right, that love sometimes – oftentimes demands sacrifices, sometimes heroic.

And then go further to explain why the Church teaches what She does. Build an entire network around the notion of nature AND natural law.

And why isn’t this the response from Church leaders who once again are demonstrating a woeful lack of concern for the young. The scouts aren’t gonna turn into a radical rainbow flag waving outfit tomorrow, but does anyone really think that after 10 years or so, that isn’t exactly what the case will be.

This is why the militant homosexualists wanted the trophy of the Boy Scouts on their mantle. They know that once accepted, it will then be advanced. That’s how life works. When something is accepted, it becomes the norm – sooner or later it becomes the norm. Think, contraception, divorce, abortion, and of course homosexuality.

Satan never plays his game JUST for today. He plays the long game as well. So in the space of just a couple of years – homosexuality has become accepted as totally normal and not to be resisted in the two most supposedly masculine enclaves left in American society – the Boy Scouts and the Military.

It truly is the Boy Scouts of AMERICA – because America really has no moral foundation left to speak of – and that is why Catholic parents cannot let their sons remain in it. Slowly but surely, they will be corrupted as the poison spreads, subtly at first but then totally.

And why isn’t the American Patriotic Church making these observations. Why isn’t the Church of Nice crowd talking this talk instead of hiding behind the extremely legalistic formula of – well, it doesn’t conflict with Church teaching.

No it doesn’t .. but it does conflict with Catholic Sense, whether the Church of Nice crowd wants to say so bluntly or not for fear, once again of giving offense.

Parents are responsible to Almighty God for the souls of their children – and THAT is Church teaching.

I am not as gloomy as the author. Yes, this is a serious and possibly fatal blow to Scouting. However, "So at home, the boy hears homosexuality is an objective disorder and to engage in this behavior is intrinsically evil, and then he heads off to the camp meeting and hears the exact opposite," seems too pessimistic. I don't for one minute believe that is how it will play out. Kids will hear at home that homosexuality is a perversion, and for the most part they will hear at camp, particularly from each other, that homosexuality is at least disgusting. The toleration of gay boys will not become a celebration, not in BSA.

"The young fellow who is today a Scout will tomorrow be an adult male. Do the Scouts really want us to believe that the official policy is that in the future, their one-time boy scouts remain celibate for life?" Actually, that is the Catholic policy and the policy of Protestants who follow the Bible, and it is at least somewhat realistic for gay boys. For bisexuals, it is completely realistic. A straight man can be (and very likely is) attracted to both married and single women. An honorable Christian will avoid encounters with married women, even if he is attracted and they are willing. Similarly, a bisexual male with morals will avoid those encounters that are forbidden by God's Word. Is that any more unrealistic than a heterosexual avoiding married women?

Kids will hear at home that homosexuality is a perversion, and for the most part they will hear at camp, particularly from each other, that homosexuality is at least disgusting. The toleration of gay boys will not become a celebration, not in BSA.

Wait till full-frontal sensitivity training is implemented. And speech -- thought codes.

Just like the rest of society.

What exactly is a 'gay boy"?

I was using that phrase to denote boys who think they are or might be gay, in contrast to the predatory adult Scoutmaster-Wannabe-Perverts who are hoping to be allowed to lead our children into the woods. Was I unclear?

I know what a boy is -it has to do with the plumbing. However, 'gay' has to do with how the plumbing is used. You seem to attempt to combine a state of being with an activity WHICH is what the left does. The left does this for one reason and one reason only... Why do you do it?

Taking that as a friendly question: I use the word "gay" as a description of a perverted attraction or a disordered mental state, not as how the plumbing is used (it shouldn't be used at all at that age). I would hope that few straight boys in BSA are sexually active and that leadership and parents would strongly discourage that activity and offer interesting alternate activities that are much more likely to come to fruition than dreams of early sex. I would hope that no gay boys at all in BSA are sexually active and that leadership and parents would discourage that activity - more strongly for gay sex than for straight sex, but very strongly on both accounts.

I use the word "gay" as a description of a perverted attraction or a disordered mental state, not as how the plumbing is used (it shouldn't be used at all at that age).

A perverted attraction to what? You seem to be dancing around the issue -the issue being the ONLY differentiator between normal and 'gay'. Let me tell you something -I am a man, I love my father, I love my brothers, AND I love my son. Is there anything perverse about that? 'Gay' is not about love. Gay is not about a state of being. What makes 'gay' not perverse?

Pretending that 'gay' has nothing to do with sex is delusional at best. There is nothing neutral or good about 'gay'

A perverted sexual or emotional attraction to the same sex. It is entirely possible to be gay and not have it just about sex. I'm not sure what your point is.

It is entirely possible to be gay and not have it just about sex.

Could you elaborate? I can not see anything else that is exclusively homosexual OTHER than the sexual activity or that associated in some way directly with the sexual activity. As far as I know and as far as any science I have ever seen has found --those who prefer and or choose to engage in homosexual sex are just like everyone else in ALL other regards.

I went to the parent/leader meeting last night to discuss and address the issue of homosexual scouts. There were not voices in favor of the BSA resolution.

Botton line: Troop will not re-charter in the fall and are looking for alternatives.

Troop was church sponsored.

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