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National Catholic support for Scouts on gays
Seattle PI ^ | 06/03/2013

Posted on 06/04/2013 8:30:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Boy Scouts of America’s newly adopted policy of accepting gay Scouts “is not in conflict with Catholic teaching” and parishes should continue to sponsor scouting, according to a letter from the U.S. Catholic church’s liaison to the Scouts.

“We should be encouraged that the change in BSA’s youth membership standard is not in conflict with Catholic teaching” which is that gays “are to be treated with the same signity due all human beings created by God,” Edward Martin, chairman of the National Catholic Committee on Scouting, wrote in a letter.

“Scouting is still the best youth-serving program available to all youth,”Martin added. The letter was addressed to “fellow Catholic Scouters” across the country.

The Martin letter contradicts a vitriolic, name-calling anti-gay letter from a Bremerton pastor, the Rev Derek Lappe of Our Star of the Sea Catholic Church, in which Lappe said he is pulling his parish out of Scouting. Lappe wrote last week:

“Our parish cannot be involved with a group that has decided to ratify or approve the self-identification of a 10-to-18 year old boy as ‘gay’ or ‘homosexual.’ To me, it is cruel and abusive and absolutely contrary to the Gospel to in any way confirm a teenager in the confusion of same-sex attraction, which is what the New Boy Scout policy will do.

“And so we are going to redouble our efforts to create a community that is supportive of happy, healthy, holy marriages. In our marriage preparation we are going to try to get women to stop marrying such loser men who will never be capable of being good dads, husbands, and vice versa.”

The National Catholic Committee on Scouting, in Martin’s letter, takes a very different tack, explaining what the Scouts’ new policy actually means:

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; catholic; gays; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; religiousleft
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1 posted on 06/04/2013 8:30:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So much for taking the high ground...


2 posted on 06/04/2013 8:32:31 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Treating homo’s with ‘dignity and respect’ would be to straighten them out while they’re on this Earth, instead of tacitly condoning this abomination. There is a Hell, don’t forget.

And by the way, church/spiritual leaders are held to a higher standard because of their influence on so many others.


3 posted on 06/04/2013 8:38:14 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

“So much for taking the high ground...”

Heck, look at the disasters that Georgetown and Notre Dame have become.

I was raised as a Catholic and would really like to go back...but ‘fraid it will not be for a good while.


4 posted on 06/04/2013 8:38:46 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

True... you can BE gay and be Catholic. That wasn’t the question. Can you be gay AND morally straight? That answer is NO from a BSA and Catholic perspective.


5 posted on 06/04/2013 8:38:54 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is the American Catholic Church separate from the Roman Catholic Church? If so, when did this occur?


6 posted on 06/04/2013 8:39:01 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Held to a higher standard by God, that is.


7 posted on 06/04/2013 8:39:14 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This looks like liberal media cherry-picking. The same National Catholic Committee on Scouting statement underlined this:

-"Any sexual conduct, whether homosexual or heterosexual, by youth of Scouting age is contrary to the virtues of Scouting."
-"As Catholics, we believe that engaging in sexual activity outside of a marriage is immoral (CCC [Catechism of the Catholic Church] 2396)."

A previous statement issued by that body immediately after the BSA vote was even more explicit: "The Catholic Church teaches that people who experience a homosexual inclination or a same sex attraction are to be treated with respect recognizing the dignity of all persons. The Church's teaching is clear that engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage is immoral. Individuals who are open and avowed homosexuals promoting and engaging in homosexual conduct are not living lives consistent with Catholic teaching."

8 posted on 06/04/2013 8:41:20 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I went to the NCCS-BSA website and found the letter. It is very carefully worded, and I suppose does not directly oppose Catholic teaching on the issue.

It’s a pdf file, unfortunately, but here it is:

http://nccs-bsa.org/comment/Response-EPM-130529-v2.pdf

As he says, no sexual activity is encouraged in the Scouts, gay OR straight. Still, I think this is dumb, because you know the libs are going to use this to push this agenda.

And it’s quite right to say that there will be no bullying. But “anti-bullying” is being used by the PC Police to force people to say that gay is good—or you’re a bully for hurting their feelings.

Regretably, a carefully worded letter like this WILL be misinterpreted. And I’m afraid that may be what the writer intends. He is very careful not to go against Christian teaching, BUT he is effectively laying back and encouraging others to do so.


9 posted on 06/04/2013 8:42:14 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Da Coyote

Do return and find yourself a parish with the traditional liturgy.


10 posted on 06/04/2013 8:42:24 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Cicero

Yeah, that’s definitely true.


11 posted on 06/04/2013 8:43:23 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: SeekAndFind

You’ll see this go off the rails the minute a Catholic Scoutmaster tries to straighten one of ‘em out.


12 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:16 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pgyanke
Can you be gay AND morally straight?

You have to acknowledge the existence of an objective standard in order to answer this question.

13 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
Since when have local parishes EVER taken orders from the national hierarchy?

A lot of them WILL stop sponsoring, despite the directive.

Same with the Methodists, who say they won't withdraw support.

14 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:22 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Da Coyote
The gates of hell will not prevail against the Catholic Church -- I think you know that.



15 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
National Catholic Committee on Scouting?

Sounds real official to me.

16 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: pgyanke

Hate the sin; love the sinner.


17 posted on 06/04/2013 8:45:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Chaff and the wheat . . .


18 posted on 06/04/2013 8:48:26 AM PDT by conserv8 (The treacherous dealers mark the decks - - - - Lev:19-28)
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To: txnativegop
Is the American Catholic Church separate from the Roman Catholic Church?

The American Catholic Church is not in communion with the Holy See.

There are heretics both inside and outside the Church. Quite a few of them work for the USCCB and other organizations claiming to be Catholic.

19 posted on 06/04/2013 8:57:33 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: SeekAndFind
An opposing view:

Priest cuts ties to Boy Scouts over gay scout decision (WA)

20 posted on 06/04/2013 8:59:28 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Good Lord declares homosexuality “an abomination.” Thus, there is no debate, discussion or different points of view. And yes there are versus in the bible that state that God Hates the sinner. Are people so stupid as to think God loves the soul in hell?
21 posted on 06/04/2013 9:00:26 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Pyro7480
Thank you. I'm going to repeat your post (I encourage readers to go to the OP for the links):

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This looks like liberal media cherry-picking. The same National Catholic Committee on Scouting statement underlined this:

-"Any sexual conduct, whether homosexual or heterosexual, by youth of Scouting age is contrary to the virtues of Scouting."

-"As Catholics, we believe that engaging in sexual activity outside of a marriage is immoral (CCC [Catechism of the Catholic Church] 2396)."

A previous statement issued by that body immediately after the BSA vote was even more explicit: "The Catholic Church teaches that people who experience a homosexual inclination or a same sex attraction are to be treated with respect recognizing the dignity of all persons. The Church's teaching is clear that engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage is immoral. Individuals who are open and avowed homosexuals promoting and engaging in homosexual conduct are not living lives consistent with Catholic teaching."

22 posted on 06/04/2013 9:00:49 AM PDT by kidd
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To: SeekAndFind
Supposedly, according to one interpretation, the third secret of Fatima foretold of infiltration and the compromising and weakening the Church's stances on Biblical principles, essentially causing the Church's failure and fall to the dark side, so to speak.

It's interesting (to me) to think about, especially when I read of all the Church's internal scandals, problems, and compromises and hear personal testimonies of current and former Catholics that support that Fatima interpretation.

Things have changed rapidly in my lifetime, in positive ways at first, but then a sharp turn away from that path to something very different.

There are many sorts of warfare and this is an interesting sort of war we're in, but it's likely to turn into one of the more familiar versions soon. God, help us.

23 posted on 06/04/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Cicero

To me this is infuriating. The Church seems unwilling to take a definite stand on the push to legitimize gay sex. Maybe I am being paranoid, but it seems that the council the Church gives is divided. It keeps giving mixed signals. On the one hand, the doctrine is clear. On the other hand, they don’t act as if it were.


24 posted on 06/04/2013 9:09:57 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: SeekAndFind

One of our jobs is to protect our kids from perverts....not encourage their presence. They’re ALL predators....there is no other way to increase their numbers. They solicit.


25 posted on 06/04/2013 9:11:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I note that this priest’s parish has the Traditional Latin Mass. I’m not surprised by this detail at all.


26 posted on 06/04/2013 9:11:56 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

But God does call sinners to repent, which is love by God in itself.


27 posted on 06/04/2013 9:17:36 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Pyro7480

There is a coming schism between a significant chunk of the American Catholic Church and Rome. While there are still many traditional parishes, priests and bishops, there are a growing number who have adopted the “kumbaya” approach to Christianity that we’ve seen destroy the Episcopalian, Methodist and Prysbyterian churches (and the United Church in Canada). When the split comes the Roman Catholic Church in Canada and the US will be a much smaller, but more faithful congregation. The new American Catholic Church will quickly decline into irrelevance.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 9:21:56 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: SeekAndFind

And they wonder why attendance has declined.


29 posted on 06/04/2013 9:29:04 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: RobbyS

Don’t confuse a prudential statement with the teaching of the Church.


30 posted on 06/04/2013 9:30:19 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Cicero

Well put.

The letter is using a narrow legalistic interpretation to conclude ‘no problem, no violation’, while in fact the big picture is moving toward accommodation of the homosexual lifestyle and away from biblical proscription of the abomination. As you correctly point out, the letter is passively facilitating that which any real Christian should be actively and openly opposing.


31 posted on 06/04/2013 9:36:20 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: RobbyS

Don’t confuse progressive propaganda coming out of liberal ‘Catholic’ committees (especially American ones) with the teachings of the Church.


32 posted on 06/04/2013 9:39:39 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

great minds or at least Catholic minds post alike


33 posted on 06/04/2013 9:41:26 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Da Coyote

Try the Latin Mass. It is exactly like the church I remember before Vatican II. Many in the parish home school their children.


34 posted on 06/04/2013 9:59:07 AM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: SeekAndFind

Not in conflict? Say, what?!?


35 posted on 06/04/2013 10:02:36 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Biggirl

No argument. God’s love was a major purpose for Christ and Christ calls for-repentance!


36 posted on 06/04/2013 10:13:37 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SeekAndFind
So the new BSA policy "is not in conflict with Catholic teaching"? That's nice. Does this mean that the previous BSA policy on homosexuals was in conflict with Catholic teaching? Because the policy has done a 180. Previously homosexuals were excluded, now they're welcomed.

Is Martin telling us that Catholic teaching can be tortured, twisted and stretched to accomodate both of these positions?

Going along to get along has severely wounded Catholicism in the US. The urge to make Jesus a sign of compromise rather than a sign of contradiction has done untold harm.

37 posted on 06/04/2013 10:14:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Resolute Conservative

This former Catholic hoped the church would do the right thing. But I guess they had no interest in doing so.


38 posted on 06/04/2013 10:25:03 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: SeekAndFind

you know we’re near the end when a church comes out in defense of a pro-homosexual policy and rebukes a priest who’s correct on the issue.

we don’t need the rcc to explain the policy change, we know exactly what it means and we know it’s ridiculous and arbitrary and is a slippery slope on purpose, and we know sodomy is not part of being morally straight.


39 posted on 06/04/2013 10:54:21 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

sorry, i see it’s the acc, not the rcc.


40 posted on 06/04/2013 10:55:22 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: darkangel82

Since you confuse a prudential statement from a member of the laity with the actual teaching of the Church, it’s not difficult to figure out why you left.


41 posted on 06/04/2013 11:06:01 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

What I am worried about is that we are getting prudential statements from the USCCB that are at best “economical,” in character instead of emphatic statements that open homosexuality is morally licit. What they should encourage is a period of discernment during which the bishops say nothing until they see where the Scouts are going with this and how gay scouts behave themselves.


42 posted on 06/04/2013 12:19:49 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: marshmallow

AGREED!


43 posted on 06/04/2013 12:22:13 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good thing their opinion is just that and not something any Catholic has to give any serious weight to.


44 posted on 06/04/2013 1:11:49 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: SeekAndFind

This group does have a bit of a conflicting interest:

If the Church no longer supports the Boy Scouts this group disappears, it’s reason for existence gone.


45 posted on 06/04/2013 2:19:05 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Edward Martin and his ilk are either useful idiots or leftists. Either way they promote the homosexual agenda and sacrifice innocent or led astray youth to the devil by adopting this corrupt well intended means in pursuit of a noble end.

On one hand they claim the BSA is religiously 'oriented' and that to promote religion they must remain members while on the other hand they claim that homosexual 'oriented' has NOTHING to do with promoting homosexual sex?

Ambiguously 'Gay', meet Ambiguously Religious -a partnership brokered by satan himself.

46 posted on 06/04/2013 2:39:05 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: SeekAndFind

A new recruitment organization for young potential queers??? Why wouldn’t the Catholic clergy be supportive???


47 posted on 06/04/2013 2:43:24 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Salvation
The gates of hell will not prevail against the Catholic Church -- I think you know that.

That's NOT what Jesus said, and you DO know that...

48 posted on 06/04/2013 2:47:00 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Cicero
There's that damned ambiguity again.

The traditional Scout position on sexuality was, in effect, "Don't Ask/ Don't Tell," --- and this is correct. If a boy doesn't bring up sexuality as an issue, there's no way to tell if he gets horny thoughts about Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Jack the Middle School Swim Coach or Mrs. Thompson the 8th Grade Music teacher. Sexuality doesn't intrude, and there's no problem.

The glitch in the policy is that it makes it OK to "Come Out to the Scouts" --- what a catchy slogan for the next phase of the LGBT strategy.

Come out --- adopt it as your very identity --- demand your self-expressive rights (backed by the ACLU) and if somebody doesn't like it, they face the repercussions.

Then as the "out-and-proud" Eagle Scouts are trained for leadership positions, does anybody, anybody think they'll get the boot on their 18th birtday?

BSA morphs into Gay-Straight Alliance.

Stupid NCCS.

49 posted on 06/04/2013 2:51:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (On my honor.)
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To: Iscool
Yes, because we all know ALL Catholic clergy are huge flamers.


50 posted on 06/04/2013 2:55:04 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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