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Baptists Plan Exodus from Boy Scouts
CNN ^ | 5/31/13 | Daniel Burke

Posted on 06/02/2013 6:30:48 AM PDT by marshmallow

(CNN) – For Southern Baptist pastor Tim Reed, it was Scripture versus the Scouts.

“God’s word explicitly says homosexuality is a choice, a sin,” said Reed, pastor of First Baptist Church of Gravel Ridge in Jacksonville, Arkansas.

So when the Boy Scouts of America voted to lift its ban on openly gay youths on May 24, Reed said the church had no choice but to cut its charter with Troop 542.

“It’s not a hate thing here,” Reed told CNN affiliate Fox 16. “It’s a moral stance we must take as a Southern Baptist church.”

Southern Baptist leaders say Reed is not alone.

Baptist churches sponsor nearly 4,000 Scout units representing more than 100,000 youths, according to the Boy Scouts of America.

That number could drop precipitously.

The Southern Baptist Convention, the country’s largest Protestant denomination, will soon urge its 45,000 congregations and 16 million members to cut ties with the Scouts, according to church leaders.

The denomination will vote on nonbinding but influential resolutions during a convention June 11-12 in Houston.

“There’s a 100% chance that there will be a resolution about disaffiliation at the convention,” said Richard Land, the longtime head of the Southern Baptists’ Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, “and a 100% chance that 99% of people will vote for it.”

“Southern Baptists are going to be leaving the Boy Scouts en masse,” Land continued.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: baptists; boyscouts; bsa; exodus; flee; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; perversion; perverts; prancers; sbc
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1 posted on 06/02/2013 6:30:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

If you quit, you let them win.

This is what Obama and the secularists want.

They want all of the foundation forming, values building organizations destroyed.

It’s the same tactic being used to drive chaplains from the military.


2 posted on 06/02/2013 6:37:37 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: marshmallow

Will the BSA remove the words “God” and “morally straight” from the oath? Or will they keep them and require “false witness” to be a member?


3 posted on 06/02/2013 6:42:05 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: G Larry

Exactly.


4 posted on 06/02/2013 6:42:12 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: marshmallow

Time to dust off the ole sandals and move on.


5 posted on 06/02/2013 6:42:32 AM PDT by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: G Larry

If you quit, you let them win.
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If you don’t quit you sponsor homosexuals

Catch 22.

The idiots who voted to allow Homosexual kids in the Scouts were afraid of losing the sponsorship of companies who wish to sponsor Homosexual sex. Such as United Fund. They voted for the money and doomed the Scouts.

Now they have neither. Instead of brains those who voted for this mess have fecal material in their heads.


6 posted on 06/02/2013 6:42:51 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: G Larry
I believe you are right. The Evil are experts at putting the Good in a no-win bind.
7 posted on 06/02/2013 6:43:20 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: G Larry
If you quit, you let them win.

The church isn't quitting the Boy Scouts; the Boy Scouts are quitting the church.

8 posted on 06/02/2013 6:44:26 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: marshmallow

Good. BSA is a private organization that can make its own decisions over who joins. Same for the Baptists and the Catholics.


9 posted on 06/02/2013 6:48:35 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: hinckley buzzard
But we know who ultimately wins the war!
10 posted on 06/02/2013 6:48:37 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: marshmallow

Praise the Lord!!!


11 posted on 06/02/2013 6:48:45 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: G Larry
The Scouts have abandoned their foundational principles. To “stay” with them, and to contribute to their mission, would mean we'd have to abandon ours.

Millions of American parents brought their sons to BSA because we believed in the values BSA once represented. Through the use of deceitful tactics and a “survey” that was written to function as what they would call a “push poll” in politics, BSA has cast aside those core values. We didn't quit the scouts. The scouts quit us.

BTW, this is just the “tip of the iceberg.” The scouts are no more than “dead man walking” right now. It's only a matter of time. They drank the hemlock of political correctness, and become a different organization than they were previously. There's nothing anyone can do to save them now.

After the Episcopal Church embraced political correctness the number of children registered for their Sunday School programs across the country dropped from nearly 900,000 to less than 300,000. And the Episcopal Church doesn't send many small groups camping in remote locations for dozens of days per year. BSA, themselves, have estimate that they'll lose at least 400,000 members due to this decision. When reality finally hits I suspect they'll see a loss of well over 1Million members, within five years.

12 posted on 06/02/2013 6:49:10 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: G Larry; marshmallow
If you quit, you let them win.

They have already won. Staying doesn't mean standing up for our values, it means conceding to theirs. Straight boys and religious scoutmasters and sponsors are going to be lightning rods for the perverts. The first time a "gay" kid reports that his imagined sexual orientation is not validated by his troop or scoutmaster there will be civil rights lawyers and federal investigators coming out of the woodwork. No one should subject their children-or their church-to that.

The BSA has mortally wounded itself. Let it wither away and die the death it has chosen.

13 posted on 06/02/2013 6:50:24 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

We do. But I grow impatient.


14 posted on 06/02/2013 6:51:06 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: marshmallow
Southern Baptists said they are preparing for a surge of interest in the Royal Ambassadors at their upcoming convention in Houston.

I think that any religious denomination that believes their heavily religious oriented youth programs will replace the Boy Scouts as a popular organization to join will be very disappointed. The RAs and other similar organizations have existed for years and they won't suddenly appeal to youths they didn't appeal to before.

If a real alternative to the BSA is desired, they'd better band together and form a new organization similar to BSA that retains the traditional values of the BSA.

15 posted on 06/02/2013 6:51:11 AM PDT by Will88
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To: G Larry
"If you quit, you let them win"

The "exodus" out of Sodom and Gemorah is a good thing, in which all God loving/fearing people should do.

Besides, I've read some stories about those leaving the gay scouts will form a new "boy scouts". The stories I've read, these people were quite upset they felt FORCED to leave what was once a great institution for little boys and their dads and great male role models.

They seemed more saddened than angry about the gay scouts decision.

16 posted on 06/02/2013 6:54:00 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: G Larry
If you quit, you let them win.

Of course you don't. Instead, you create something new that is responsive to Biblical principles, as the Scouts used to be.

I speak here as a former Scout, local council executive officer and Eagle dad. Thankfully, my son earned his award before the national organization accepted perversion.

Right now, I wouldn't recommend Scouting to a boy. We didn't allow our daughter to join the Girl Scouts for the same reason. Let's create youth organizations that truly honor God instead of simply offering lip service.

17 posted on 06/02/2013 6:54:25 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: RavenATB
The Scouts have abandoned their foundational principles. To “stay” with them, and to contribute to their mission, would mean we'd have to abandon ours.

+1

The left will not rest until they rule our consciences, until they think for us, judge for us and choose for us. Leaving boys in the BSA just furthers their cause. A fire cannot burn without fuel. Starve it.

18 posted on 06/02/2013 6:54:32 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: G Larry
If you quit, you let them win.

I disagree. The BSA was a disgrace...corporate whores as distant from scouting as Susan Komen was from funding cancer research. The basis of BSA was in the UK and it was BIBLICALLY-based and focused on the kids, not Fortune 500 sponsorships.

The BSA must be eviscerated and a NEW scout organization rapidly take its place based on biblical values and not beholden to the almighty dollar - and thus homosexual pressure groups.

19 posted on 06/02/2013 6:56:16 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Will88
If a real alternative to the BSA is desired, they'd better band together and form a new organization similar to BSA that retains the traditional values of the BSA.

Any similar group that seeks tax exempt status will be charged with discrimination. The only groups that will survive are religious based groups because of the First Amendment.

20 posted on 06/02/2013 6:59:30 AM PDT by randita
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To: G Larry

>>> If you quit, you let them win.

First of all, they have already won where scouting is concerned. Scouting CANNOT survive this.

Second, by NOT quitting, current members/supporters/leaders are CONDONING the behavior... so NOT quitting is a BIGGER win for the homos.

Third, the only possible way that Scouting can survive this is if enough people abandon the organization quickly enough for the council to reverse course immediately.

God is in the process here of separating the wheat from the chaff. This was traditionally accomplished by thrashing the harvested wheat and then pitching it up into the wind so that the chaff would be blown away while seeds would remain. Make no mistake... God is testing His people.

Honor and Principle does not reside in an organization.
It resides in the individual.


21 posted on 06/02/2013 7:03:57 AM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: randita
Any similar group that seeks tax exempt status will be charged with discrimination.

The BSA won its supreme court case that recognized their right to set their own membership guidelines. And then the national leadership threw it away.

If you think a new group with heavy religious emphasis will appeal to boys, then you're kidding yourself. Those groups already exist in most church denominations.

22 posted on 06/02/2013 7:08:05 AM PDT by Will88
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To: G Larry

Can the BSA be split like some of the major Christian denominations have done through the years?

Have a BSA Traditional and a BSA Prancers.


23 posted on 06/02/2013 7:18:32 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta
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To: G Larry
If you quit, you let them win.

This is what Obama and the secularists want.

They want all of the foundation forming, values building organizations destroyed.

I can't agree with you here. I, honestly, do not believe that they want to destroy all of the foundation forming, values building organizations. I believe that they want to pervert all of those organizations to teach their set of values as foundational...to twist and corrupt them. I believe they want those organizations to teach good as evil and evil as good.

24 posted on 06/02/2013 7:19:38 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: marshmallow

There is a smaller liberal “Baptist” group, I forget its name — something like Baptist Cooperative Federation — that may stick with the liberal Scouts.


25 posted on 06/02/2013 7:29:49 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: marshmallow
I'm surprised no one has brought up the Awanas.
26 posted on 06/02/2013 7:37:32 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: marshmallow

Reconstituting it under the Establishment Clause is the only thing that will protect it. Might even force a test of the wildly inverted application of “religious freedom,” the practical reality of which has become state-enforced atheism.

Every Protestant church remaining true to the core faith and moral tenets of Christianity should do it and never fail to police their moral standards, brooking no progressive pushing of boundaries. Apostate denominations can remain apostate with the BSA.

Orthodox and Conservative Jews could do the same under their own specific standard and affiliate more broadly with the Protestant groups under a set of standards agreed upon and applicable to all.

That leaves Catholics, whose church advocates orthodoxy in word, but deed most often veers to the left. There are traditionalists who are orthodox in both word and deed but adherence to the specific institution appears to preclude separating oneself from that specific institution, unlike fundamentalist Protestants and Orthodox Jews.

Not sure how such an idea could be made to work, there.


27 posted on 06/02/2013 7:45:56 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: marshmallow
This was so “unexpected” — NOT. The Law of Unintended Consequences has kicked-in.
28 posted on 06/02/2013 7:46:11 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: G Larry
Then what? Go along to get along? Like the traitorous republCRAT party?

The best they can do is quit and form a separate org that does follow it`s standards.

29 posted on 06/02/2013 7:47:13 AM PDT by nomad
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To: marshmallow

God bless the Baptists. “Come out from among them”-St. Paul


30 posted on 06/02/2013 7:48:40 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: G Larry

No, if you quit, you force the organization to conform to the needs of its membership.

Importantly, the BSA tried a similar stupidity before. Back in the 1970s, the organization tried to be trendy, and invited a large number of inner city “yoots” to join its ranks. They even created a universally despised version of the Boy Scout manual, which discarded the old knowledge and replaced it with “inner city scouting”, as if it was written by a “community organizer”.

This ended after the yoots were sent to Boy Scout camps, and went on vandalism and arson riots, costing the BSA millions of dollars in repairs.

The new manual was discarded, the inner city troops were disbanded, and the BSA politburo sulked off to lick its wounds. Only with president Reagan did they regain their spirit.

So what will happen this time? Not only will troops disband, and dues paying Scouts leave the organization, but a huge number of their donations are going to dry up.

For all the promises their corporate overlords gave them about funding if they would just embrace homosexuality, there is no way they will make up for this lost revenue and other supports.

I figure the turnaround time will be about 10 years, then they will quietly discard the policy, and send out the message that religiously faithful scouts are again welcome.


31 posted on 06/02/2013 7:49:35 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: randita
If a real alternative to the BSA is desired, they'd better band together and form a new organization similar to BSA that retains the traditional values of the BSA. Any similar group that seeks tax exempt status will be charged with discrimination. The only groups that will survive are religious based groups because of the First Amendment.

Just one more reason to abolish the IRS and fix the tax code. All this is intertwined.

32 posted on 06/02/2013 7:54:07 AM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: marshmallow

These churches really need to come up with a new, alternative, organization, which parallels the Boy Scouts, but with the old rules about who can join.


33 posted on 06/02/2013 8:04:32 AM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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34 posted on 06/02/2013 8:06:30 AM PDT by narses
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To: marshmallow

Maybe they should use the opportunity to persuade the queer scouts to change the error of their ways! It would be funny - if the scouts were to declare that they are accepting gays into scouting so that they can straighten them out before they become adults.


35 posted on 06/02/2013 8:06:39 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: marshmallow

So let’s see....the gays still aren’t happy with the Boy Scouts, and now all of the Conservative organizations are leaving.

Another example of, “Try to please everyone, wind up pleasing no one.”


36 posted on 06/02/2013 8:07:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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37 posted on 06/02/2013 8:09:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('He frustrates the devices of the crafty, so that they cannot carry out their plans.' -- Job 5:12)
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To: G Larry
If you quit, you let them win.

The camel has his nose under the tent. Next year or the year after they will allow allow gay scout masters since it would be fair for a former gay Eagle scout not to be able to continue in the organization. It is not a question of will it happen, just a question of when.

38 posted on 06/02/2013 8:23:13 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Red Dog #1
I'm surprised no one has brought up the Awanas.

And they are?

39 posted on 06/02/2013 8:24:28 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: marshmallow

We had a leadership meeting the other night. Our troop is sticking with it for a bit to see what happens. But, I have a letter prepared that will be sent in the next few days. In the two years of our troops existence, we have risen to be stellar performers in the annual popcorn sale. Our troop even outsold a smaller district in our council. The council receives 33% of our sales. Well, 33% of nothing is... Plus we will not participate in Friends of Scouting and we are tightening up our troop membership policy to require a letter of recommendation from the candidates church. We will not allow open homesexuals in our troop. If they want to override us, we will quit immediately. We’re fighting back.


40 posted on 06/02/2013 8:32:57 AM PDT by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: G Larry
And if you don't quit, you piss off God and they win anyway. And for extra points, they get to rape your children on camping trips.

Somehow, I suspect that Homosexuals were not attracted to the Boy Scouts because of the Scout law of being Morally Straight, or to be Reverent. And if they were not attracted to the Scouts because of what the scouts are in spirit, then the only attraction is what the Boy Scouts are in the flesh.

Little boys.

Kinda obvious.

I understand your statement, and I do agree with you that the evil people in this world want to burn society to the ground. And they will succeed, for to fight them on their own ground makes you just as evil. This is the very reason Hell was created by God. You don't have to fight them, and you don't have to join them. That battle is God's. You just fight your own evil inclination, that is the battle you can win.

The Tribulation is man made. The Utopia of Sin that they wish to create, is the very hell on earth that they will have to live in. Right before the "Great Tribulation" which is not man made, is God's wrath, and Hell, the Utopia they deserve.

You ever wonder how God was going to solve the "Evil, can't live with them, and can't kill them conundrum"?

He removes the evil for destruction from the Good for relationship.

41 posted on 06/02/2013 8:36:35 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: G Larry

“If you quit, you let them win.
This is what Obama and the secularists want.
They want all of the foundation forming, values building organizations destroyed.”

The Obammunists have already won, because they’ve already destroyed our institutions by perverting them and hollowing them out. To continue to participate in such Potemkin institutions is to give tacit approval and support, unless there is a REAL chance of re-seizing the levers of power of a destroyed institution and re-turning it around to what it once was. If a destroyed institution cannot be saved, then it is best to allow it to completely collapse and found an alternative organization from scratch.


42 posted on 06/02/2013 8:38:39 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: jboot

The Boy Scouts did the one thing, they should never ever have done.

They abandoned their central membership list.

Millions, no tens of millions of former Boy Scouts are out here in America. We every day think proudly of what was for many the formative days of our lives.

Boy Scouts were an important part of growing up. It was a source of challenges, and freedoms. All of it.

Now it is about homosexuality.

The Boy Scouts could not have chosen a more damaging thing to do.

What is needed now, is a challenger to the Boy Scouts.

Another program. Virtually identical to what the Boy Scouts (used) to be.

I no longer support the scouts, as a homosexual program.

I cannot.


43 posted on 06/02/2013 8:44:11 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: G Larry

“They” have won already. What’s the difference?


44 posted on 06/02/2013 9:09:49 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: marshmallow

They exit with principles intact through the front door heads held high while the perverts slip in through the back door.


45 posted on 06/02/2013 9:13:58 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Will88

“...they’d better band together and form a new organization similar to BSA that retains the traditional values of the BSA.”

You know, I was going to say that exact thing. But then it hit me when I read your comment - how would that new organization keep from getting sued by these destructive people?

Perhaps it would HAVE TO BE an explicitly religious organization.


46 posted on 06/02/2013 9:15:52 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307
Perhaps it would HAVE TO BE an explicitly religious organization.

I don't think so, and I don't think the Supreme Court case the BSA won in 2000 was decided on a religious freedom basis. It was decided that the BSA was a private organization and, therefore, had a right to freedom of association and to set its own membership guidelines.

A new organization would have to be privately funded, but it would not have to be specifically religious, though any new BSA-like organization would have some religious content.

47 posted on 06/02/2013 9:24:56 AM PDT by Will88
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To: G Larry

“If you quit, you let them win.”

As far as the BSA is concerned, they HAVE won. Past tense. The BSA now supports homosexuality as a valid, morally straight choice.

That is unacceptable to baptists.


48 posted on 06/02/2013 9:27:50 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: marshmallow

Don’t go to the comment section. If you’re a Christian, you might feel a little like Jews felt in Germany just before the Nazis came to power. Lots of hatred and even threats of extermination.


49 posted on 06/02/2013 9:43:40 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: marshmallow

Good.

Every single individual who values principle should exit this now-profligate organization. And I AM NOT condemning the guiltless individuals involved in scouting, but the organization as a whole.

But it you remain a supporter, either by finances and service, in this organization going forward, you are a supporter of perversion.


50 posted on 06/02/2013 9:46:57 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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