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Dolan Has Taught Us A Few Important Things
Pro Life Corner ^ | May 28, 2013

Posted on 05/30/2013 5:16:41 AM PDT by NYer

Rockford, Il – (ProLifeCorner.com) – 5-28-2013 – by Rockford Pro-Life Initiative - Cardinal Dolan Has Taught Us A Few Important Things In The Last Few Weeks. In the last few weeks Cardinal Dolan, through his spokesman Joseph Zwilling, has been doing a lot of teaching by word and deed.

His Eminence, Timothy Cardinal Dolan, has let the Church know pro-abortion New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is a Catholic in good standing. The world has also found out the Archdiocese of New York is paying for abortions and contraception for thousands of its employees. The Cardinals spokesman has rather heartlessly described the abortions and contraception the Archdiocese provides as “services” and excused the Archdiocese paying the bills for these “services” because they write the checks “under protest.” We have many lessons we can learn from these situations. A few of these lessons are listed below:

Cardinal Dolan has taught us you can be a Catholic (Gov. Cuomo) who promotes the unlimited and legal killing of babies by abortion, a Catholic who uses their political power to promote homosexual marriage and you’re still a Catholic in good standing.

Cardinal Dolan has taught us it’s OK to pay for abortions and contraception if you have an excuse.

Cardinal Dolan has set a standard for every Catholic in America to participate in things like the HHS mandate as long as you say you object to doing it.

Cardinal Dolan has taught us that if employees of a Catholic institution demand that the Catholic Church pay to murder their babies – the Church can comply.

Cardinal Dolan has taught every enemy of the Church that Catholics will go along quietly and participate in contraception and abortion programs as long as we say we object to it.

Cardinal Dolan has made null and void Cardinal George’s statement concerning secular forces attacking the Church and our need to be brave,

“I expected to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor willdie a martyr in the public square.” No need now to stand-up for any principles. If Cardinal Dolan, the head of the Bishops Council can pay for abortions and tell us all we have to do is say we object to it, no Catholic need to take a risky stand to defend Christ or life. Cardinal Dolan has taught us we can go along with the culture of death as long as we object to doing it.

Cardinal Dolan has taught the Supreme Court whose members may have seen these situations in the news and will be hearing the HHS mandate cases that it is really no big deal for the head of the USCCB to allow his Archdiocese to pay for abortions and contraception as long as he can publicly say he objects to it.

Cardinal Dolan has taught politicians, voters, the abortion industry, and the media that the Catholic Church will pay for abortions and contraception as long as we can say we object to it.

Cardinal Dolan has taught us that the abuse scandal in the Catholic Church is far from over. While the tragedy of sexual abuse is being dealt with head on we now have been taught by Cardinal Dolan that a Catholic in good standing can support and make possible the murder of babies in the womb and an Archdiocese can even pay for these abortions. The murder of babies in the womb is the ultimate child abuse.

His Eminence, Timothy Cardinal Dolan has taught us a lot in the last few weeks.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: cuomo; dolan
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To: Alex Murphy; count-your-change

The worst of it, is that Dolan is a Kennedy-Coumo Catholic.
The fact that he’s supposed to be “spearheading the drive” to restore doctrinal soundness and religious liberty means that we’ve got a general from the other side.


21 posted on 05/30/2013 7:27:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("When the devil takes a fort, he doesn't change the flag.")
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To: count-your-change

“Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.”


22 posted on 05/30/2013 7:30:44 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
During JFK's election he attempted to tamps down concern that an American president would be under the thrall of a foreign leader, The Pope.

Kennedy made it clear his religion was one thing, his political office quite another. It was the type of covering argument used by the Jesuit priest and Mass. Rep. Robert Drinan as he lent every support he could to more liberal abortion laws.

The doctrine of separation of political action and religious belief has become so firmly established that how lately it was born is forgotten.

23 posted on 05/30/2013 7:32:50 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Paul had a solution for that IF aanyone were willing to follow his order.

I seem to recall the Catechism saying those who condone sin becomes sharers in it.


24 posted on 05/30/2013 7:44:54 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
Ted Kennedy, Drinan, and both Cuomos were directly mentored by Ted Hesburgh, CSC. Hesburgh is running around this year collecting honors, awards and testimonial dinners celebrating his 70th year as a priest.

SICKENING HESBURGH LINKS

Journalist Tom Bethell has brought a lot of this corrupt relationship to the public eye. Hesburgh is probably THE lead heresiarch in the USA, and has enabled, sponsored, promoted (in some cases, literally tutored) the guilty-as-hell Catholic Democrat leadership for at least 50 years.

25 posted on 05/30/2013 7:56:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("When the devil takes a fort, he doesn't change the flag.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And who has sponsored, mentored and enabled Hesburgh?

As Jesus said to the religious leaders of his day, ‘The kingdom will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing it's fruits’.

26 posted on 05/30/2013 8:36:50 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
"And who has sponsored, mentored and enabled Hesburgh?"

That's an excellent question, actually. From the git-go, you'd have to say Notre Dame and the CSC's. I'd like to see the history of that, and I wonder whether the contempoary journalist/historians (like Tom Bethell, Russell Shaw and Phil Lawler) have looked into that aspect. It has its own multi-generational nature, like a perverse line of succession.

That is, a "line of succession" of defectors-in-place, who refuse to listen to the Church (see tagline.)

27 posted on 05/30/2013 8:54:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: NYer
...and excused the Archdiocese paying the bills for these "services" because they write the checks "under protest."

He burned incense at the altar of Caesar but did so "under protest" so no wrong done.

28 posted on 05/30/2013 9:21:16 AM PDT by omega4412
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The worst of it, is that Dolan is a Kennedy-Coumo Catholic.

IMO it gets far, far worse. I can't name a single US bishop (I'm looking at you, Chaput and Gomez) that has charted a different course on the hottest political/religious issues in our day (immigration, health care, communion for pro-abort pols) that runs counter to what Dolan has already done. I do not think there are any "conservative" Catholic bishops in the USA, as Free Republic would define "conservative".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but please give specific examples if you do.

29 posted on 05/30/2013 9:36:27 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Repulican Donkey

AMEN!!! Wish I had said all that you did. But for those who may have any doubt about the worthlessness of Dolan, go back and re-read his Benediction to the Republican National Convention this past year. The laughing Cardinal’s single mentioning of Jesus was to include His name fourth (yes fourth) behind Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, for fear of offending the non-christians in the audience. No wonder the catholic Church continues to decline.


30 posted on 05/30/2013 10:17:38 AM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That line of “defectors-in-place” IS the Catholic church. The Pharisees Jesus confronted were not a few bad apples.


31 posted on 05/30/2013 10:55:21 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: NYer

It’s interesting. You post the article criticizing Dolan, and then you run to the defense of the bishops. Puzzling. If I were a sceptic I might be inclined to believe that Cardinal Dolan, himself wrote your unabashed defense of the bishops of the Church. Note well, my criticism is not of the Church, but only of the bishops of the Church.

Like the bishops, you seem to believe that Christ set up His Church for the purpose of feeding the poor, clothing the naked, caring for the sick, educating the masses and so on. Respectfully, if that is what you believe, you are wrong. And if you didn’t know, the Church, prior to Vatican II, use to teach that as well. Check out the Baltimore Catechism some time and you’ll learn that Christ founded His Church for one reason––to lead all mankind to salvation––not to feed the poor.

The bishops, and apparently you as well, believe that the role of the Church is to compete with the federal, state, secular (including humanistic and atheistic) bureaucracies that have those same goals as well. Yes, the bishops are greatly praised by the NYT and the W/P for their great humanitarian efforts, but while they preen for the cameras, many souls that the Church was founded to serve are being lost by the wayside. They are, indeed, sheep without a shepherd.

As for the quaint notion that Catholic schools, at any level, have much if anything to do with teaching the Catholic faith, read up some time as to what, and by whom, is actually being taught in our Catholic grade schools and high schools today. The universities since the Land O Lakes agreement are an immoral disaster.

So although your praise of the work of the bishops may sound very “Catholic” to you and others (can you say low-information voter?), you have been greatly misled by those who have instructed you. May I suggest that you subscribe to the Catholic Family News or the Remnant news publications and read them for a few months. If you disagree with their points of view, fine; but at least you will have heard the other side, so to speak.


32 posted on 05/30/2013 11:18:05 AM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: Alex Murphy; Salvation; Dr. Brian Kopp
You've got a point there. I'm pinging this over to the FReepers who keep lists and stuff:

Check out #29: are there any bishops who are actually NOT Kennedy-Cuomo Catholics?

Talking issues, it would make sense to distinguish between two distinct, but broad and often overlapping and entangled categories: the "political/religious" issues, where there are some moral boundaries but no one right "doctrinal" path and you're dealing with prudential judgment (immigration, govt. health insurance per se); and the "moral/canonical" issues where there are sharp prohibitions and exceptionless norms (formal or proximate material cooperation in abortion, euthanasia, etc., sacrilegious administration of Sacraments.)

This last one, Canon 915, is both exceptionally grave and exceptionally clear-cut. To my knowledge, although maybe a dozen bishops have "admonished" obstinate offenders like Pelosi and Biden not to approach for Communion, only a very few are actually refusing Communion, which is what the Canon clearly mandates. The bishops of the three Kansas dioceses evidently gave a harrumph to some nameless parish priest in Kansas who gave Sebelius Communion. So that's something. But even considering that, action on the biggest most apodictic Big One can be rounded off to zero.

Any glimmers of diamonds in this sewer? Bruskewitz? Cordileone? --- what say ye, Salvation? Dr. Brian?

33 posted on 05/30/2013 11:25:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Ears perked.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Mrs. Don-o, I think Raymond Cardinal Burke might fit the bill:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Leo_Burke

I’m not sure if he ever had the opportunity to actually refuse Communion to a pro-abort, but I am fairly certain he WOULD have.

Regards,

PS: I was rooting for him during the conclave.


34 posted on 05/30/2013 11:32:56 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: count-your-change
To the extent that they are defectors, they are the anti-Church.

Was the Church on the day Christ died embodied in Judas the betrayer? Peter the denier? The rest of them, cringing in fear under their beds somewhere? Or was the Church embodied in that small group --- John, Mary, a few others --- at the foot of the Cross?

35 posted on 05/30/2013 11:33:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Ears perked.)
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To: VermiciousKnid; Alex Murphy
Quite right, there's Raymond Burke. He technically is an "American Bishop," though right now he is a Curial Cardinal. I considered him the most papabile as well.

Too bad he can decree but he can't enforce. Where's the Inquisition when you really need it?

36 posted on 05/30/2013 11:37:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Ears perked.)
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To: NYer

BS. Most of those “Catholic” organizations are run by lay boards and staffed by the general population. The only thing that’s Catholic about them is history, the sign out front and a dividend check that goes to the convent to pay for geriatric care.

Otherwise, they’re no more Catholic than my cat.


37 posted on 05/30/2013 11:40:04 AM PDT by michigancatholic (No one has the right to tell you what you experienced if they weren't there, bornacatholic)
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To: tomsbartoo

BINGO!


38 posted on 05/30/2013 11:41:19 AM PDT by michigancatholic (No one has the right to tell you what you experienced if they weren't there, bornacatholic)
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To: NYer

I don’t understand how Benedict XVI could have elevated this man to Cardinal. This is so sad.


39 posted on 05/30/2013 11:53:09 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The church was/is made up of people with Christ as their head, those Jesus called his brothers. The difference between Judas and Peter was in the practice of sin and whether they repented.

The nation of Israel as a whole was condemned, it could not be reformed or returned to some former glory days. There might have many “good” people in Jerusalem but the only means of avoiding her fate was to leave while possible.

Yes, but this is “the church” we’re talking about! some may say....Paul warned that even these grafted in limbs could be lopped off what came to be spiritual Israel.

“Was the Church on the day Christ died embodied in Judas the betrayer?”

Judas had already been expelled from the church before Christ's death and Peter repented and was forgiven as Jesus foretold.

c

40 posted on 05/30/2013 12:13:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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