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Pentagon: Religious Proselytizing is Not Permitted (Court Martials?)
Fox News Radio ^ | April 30, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 04/30/2013 3:33:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Religious liberty groups have grave concerns after they learned the Pentagon is vetting its guide on religious tolerance with a group that compared Christian evangelism to “rape” and advocated that military personnel who proselytize should be court martialed.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is calling on the Air Force to enforce a regulation that they believe calls for the court martial of any service member caught proselytizing.

President Mikey Weinstein and others from his organization met privately with Pentagon officials on April 23. He said U.S. troops who proselytize are guilty of sedition and treason and should be punished – by the hundreds if necessary – to stave off what he called a “tidal wave of fundamentalists.”

“Someone needs to be punished for this,” Weinstein told Fox News. “Until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior.”

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, told Fox News he was stunned that the Pentagon would be taking counsel and advice from the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

“Why would military leadership be meeting with one of the most rabid atheists in America to discuss religious freedom in the military,” Perkins said. “That’s like consulting with China on how to improve human rights.”

The FRC has launched a petition drive urging Defense Sec. Chuck Hagel to protect the religious freedom of troops “and not to proceed with the purge of religion within the ranks called for by anti-Christian activists.”

Pentagon officials met with Weinstein and his group were to discuss a policy called “Air Force Culture, Air Force Standards,” published on Aug. 7, 2012....

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: christianextremeists; christianextremism; christianpersecution; christians; christianstargeted; dod; dodchristians; frc; hagel; military; moralabsolutes; mrff; obama; pentagon; proselytizing; religiousextremism; secdefhagel
"...we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America."
1 posted on 04/30/2013 3:33:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You can mow people down while shouting “Allahu Akbar!” though.


2 posted on 04/30/2013 3:37:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LIBERTY - E PLURIBUS UNUM - IN GOD WE TRUST

No money on installations either.


3 posted on 04/30/2013 3:45:38 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are worried about Tsarnaevs rights but our military is threatened with sedition and treason.

This athiest had better be aware that if they open the sedition can of worms it will work both ways.


4 posted on 04/30/2013 3:46:06 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What ever happened to “For God and Country”? I find it disgusting that place like Russia are becoming more open to Christianity, there are those in control of America that are working hard to drive us into the arms of Satan!


5 posted on 04/30/2013 3:47:15 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
proselytizing = sedition and treason

Huh???

6 posted on 04/30/2013 3:49:09 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Well it is true that Prostlitizing is sedition and treason, if the Feral Goverment is Openly Satanic.

Like it is...


7 posted on 04/30/2013 3:51:27 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I hate to say this, but, with no moral compass to guide the military it will be easier for them to turn their guns on us.


8 posted on 04/30/2013 3:53:45 PM PDT by k4gypsyrose
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I worked at accompany with 3,000 employees. About 10 were from a fundamentalist church. Their preacher insisted that work was the place to convert people. He told them to get in our faces and push hard. They were so obnoxious that the company said if there was one more complaint they’d all be fired.

Here’s the thing, they were all practically illiterate. I actually read the Bible. They only read their pamphlets and the pamphlets were bizarrely off base.

If they had held a come-all barbeque they’d have got 50 people to show up. But their formulaic approach was offensive and made working at our jobs practically impossible. The workplace is for work and nothing else. If you want to proselytize, be clever and get them to come to you by using food or recreation or a dance or a band.


9 posted on 04/30/2013 3:54:00 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“unconstitutional religious proselytizing”

Wow, these people get stupider every day don’t they?

It’s in the 1st Amendment, libs, under “free exercise of religion”. So all religious proselytizing is by definition constitutional, and the Federal government has absolutely zero authority to prohibit it.


10 posted on 04/30/2013 3:55:29 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Don’t Pray, Don’t Tell”


11 posted on 04/30/2013 3:56:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My great uncle was an Army chaplain during WWII. He was a deeply religious man who was very highly respected by the his fellow soldiers at the VFW.

I remember going to a barbecue with his VFW post when I was a teenager. He was telling a story about a battle in the Arden Forest and giving last rites to a man who’d been shot in the neck. He said that the man was hysterical and could not be calmed, but as he knelt beside him and prayed, the man became quiet.

He watched so many young men die but prayed with so many more before battles. His belief in God and his convictions taught him that as long as God is with the fighting men of our military, no army could defeat them. This was his message to his men.

The military wants to define extremism as a faith in God. They want to define terror as a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God and is the savior of man. They want to prosecute and imprison those who believe in peace and love for all through Christ. They want to make it treasonous and seditious to speak the gospel... in a country founded by men who were so strong in their convictions and faith that they gave their lives, their fortunes, and their honor to enshrine it in our very founding documents.

The faggots and atheists are winning. They are destroying the very fabric, right down to the threads, of our nation. If our military comes undone in this way, we, as a nation, are done. Sold down the river to the highest bidder. Learn Mandarin if you can.


12 posted on 04/30/2013 4:01:25 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would love to find out every Christian who voted for obama. Give them this article and have them explain why they voted for a person who hates our faith.


13 posted on 04/30/2013 4:11:43 PM PDT by Son-Joshua (son-joshua)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Should have been court martialed:

“United in this determination and with unshakable faith in the cause for which we fight, we will, with God’s help, go forward to our greatest victory.”
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower


14 posted on 04/30/2013 4:19:33 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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Weinstein.....
Hmmmm.....
Weinstein......

The man wants a blue suit Weinstein; turn on the blue light.....

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15 posted on 04/30/2013 4:20:44 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -- liberals secret fuel economy trick -- simply fill up your tires with propane --)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the State decides Christians are the enemy, then for sure on that day we certainly are.


16 posted on 04/30/2013 4:29:44 PM PDT by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any pictures of “Mikey Weinstein” in the process of eliminating Christianity from the American military?


17 posted on 04/30/2013 4:30:35 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Gen.Blather
You and I both know that is not where this is headed.

And yes, the work place, the mall, everywhere is the place to tell people that Jesus saves.

That aside, there are some people who do not follow the scripture on sharing their faith...namely the guidelines laid down in Luke 10 and Matthew 10.

But the bottom line here is: This administration doesn't want Christians to share their faith. I will wage a dollar to a penny that Christians will be singled out rather than Muslims. Doubt it?

18 posted on 04/30/2013 4:38:34 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Islamic prosthlitizing will be protected as diversity, of course.


19 posted on 04/30/2013 4:41:53 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Next, all chapels on military installations will be closed and converted to Mosques.


20 posted on 04/30/2013 4:51:13 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: NELSON111

“And yes, the work place, the mall, everywhere is the place to tell people that Jesus saves.”

Actually, no. The workplace is for work. Somebody is paying for your time to do their work, not God’s work. The pastor at this particular church told them “They can’t slam the door on you. Just stay in their face until they agree to come to church.” Wow, that got old. These weren’t even people you’d like to hold a conversation with. Nobody who is focused on something bizarre is fun to talk to. I think they were some kind of David Koresh type cult. All of us breathed a sigh of relieve when the company finally came down on them.

As to what religion gets singled out; of course we know. But the military has a problem. The Marines especially are generally very Christian.


21 posted on 04/30/2013 4:55:19 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: CodeToad

Don’t give them any ideas.


22 posted on 04/30/2013 4:58:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They already have that one. I’ve been hearing all kinds of rumors and whispers that the military wants to shutdown all religious activities on military installations. It has almost become common place to hear it.


23 posted on 04/30/2013 5:01:50 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Gen.Blather

I don’t think your story is the topic of this thread. The military isn’t trying to shut down inappropriate religious activities, they want to call all religious activities inappropriate.


24 posted on 04/30/2013 5:03:15 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

(phase two: military)

http://www.napervilleteapatriots.com/images/Communist%20Goals%20Naked%20Communist%201958.htm


25 posted on 04/30/2013 5:13:24 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: CodeToad

“The military isn’t trying to shut down inappropriate religious activities, they want to call all religious activities inappropriate.”

It’s not the military. It’s President Obama. Hopefully we’ll get a Christian in office; a President Palin, perhaps. This will all turn around. (I hope.)


26 posted on 04/30/2013 5:20:30 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So if this becomes regulations a person who is being sworn into active duty and the officer giving oath would be in violation would they both not? Would that then not make current enlistment contracts invalid as well? The oaths I took went like this.

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

We've gone from "So help me God" being against regulation to "hi guy meet me in my bunk later" as legal military activity?

27 posted on 04/30/2013 5:32:05 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
proselytizing = sedition and treason
Huh???
The Caesars would have understood perfectly.

28 posted on 04/30/2013 5:35:49 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: k4gypsyrose

I hate to say this, but, with no moral compass to guide the military it will be easier for them to turn their guns on us.


What I was sort of saying but you said it a lot better.


29 posted on 04/30/2013 6:46:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Sorry to ping to two articles about this, but it is an extremely important issue. Our top mil are now eliminating all mention of the dangers of Islamic terrorism, homosexuals are now in the mil open and causing trouble, and now Christians are commiting treason and sedition by their very existence, apparently. According to Mikey, hired on by the traitorous administration. Mikey said he hasn't seen any similarly dangerous Mozlem fundamentalists, though; just Christian. It's getting more and more dangerous every day.

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30 posted on 04/30/2013 6:52:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Gen.Blather
>>>>Actually, no. The workplace is for work. Somebody is paying for your time to do their work, not God’s work.

Nobody is suggesting you not work...but share your faith while you work.

If you can't talk about anything other than work (according to your definition) because someone is paying you to work...and if that is wrong...then you can probably courts martial every man and woman in the military...starting at the top. I've been in 26 years. I laid 5 clicks of C-Wire in Iraq. You telling me I should have just talked about C-Wire cause "I am being paid to work?"

Someone in this conversation has obviously never sat guard duty or mid night watch. The work place is for work...and chit-chat is everywhere in the military...and if we are going to say a work place is for work only...then you gotta lock up the entire military.

And what I said is true...we all know why this is being put forth...and it ain't to stop Muslims from sharing their faith.

31 posted on 04/30/2013 7:10:17 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

“If you can’t talk about anything other than work (according to your definition) because someone is paying you to work...and if that is wrong...then you can probably courts martial every man and woman in the military...starting at the top.”

These people weren’t “talking” they were preaching. They’d corner you in your office and preach. Imagine you’re trying to determine the MTBF (mean time between failure) of a complex system. It is pages and pages of math. And this guy is prattling on about how only 33,000 people will be allowed into Heaven. These were never conversations. A conversation has input from both sides.


32 posted on 05/01/2013 3:36:18 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; xzins
Well, now we know what Obama plans to do with the military.

Looks like they will start moving against us.

Of course, since the number one recruiting grounds for the US military is in the states with the highest number of religious Christians, they will have a man power shortage very quickly.

33 posted on 05/01/2013 5:13:29 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gen.Blather

I have to listen to that at work all the time. Mainly the religion of Al Gore (rabid enviromentalism) and the crazy breast cancer fund raising stuff.

Here is the thing. Most of what managers amuse themselves with has very little to do with the actual business. Same with the military. Yes, you are here to work, but you are still human.


34 posted on 05/01/2013 5:18:27 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

“Here is the thing. Most of what managers amuse themselves with has very little to do with the actual business. Same with the military. Yes, you are here to work, but you are still human.”

My last job was with an ITT spin-off; a huge company. I had to sign a 10 page “ethics” statement. Part of it said that I agreed to never, ever under any circumstances tell a joke. I asked the HR lady why. She said, with eyes wide, “Oh, you never know who might overhear and take offense.” In essence, this “ethics” statement prohibited any private conversations and any use of the internet to look up, say, fishing tackle. You weren’t even supposed to do it on your break.

There were fewer personal interactions at this company than at any other place. Once, a guy told me a joke; the kind your preacher would tell. From his body language and paranoia you’d have thought we were conducting a drug deal.

Although this promoted the most professional environment I can ever recall, the morale was relatively low. People rarely spent any off-work time together. I think the entire operation was hurt by that. But I believe this is where we are all headed. Ask any younger person to tell you a joke and they can’t. Jokes have been beaten out of them by the school system because, “Oh, you have no idea who might overhear it and take offense!”


35 posted on 05/01/2013 5:28:09 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather
LOL! My wife is a high school teacher.
If you think they don't rip each other all the time... well you are in a much different area than we have ever lived.

That environment that you described is a company that will fail. If everyone is afraid, you will not be productive. I have worked at places with the same level of fear and paranoia, and in the end the company either crashed or had the law shut them down (or both). Such environments are very toxic.

Of course I work in engineering. Engineers are the hardest to manage, and when we tell jokes 98% of the population don't understand it.

36 posted on 05/01/2013 6:03:48 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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