Posted on 04/27/2013 6:58:41 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
Catholic Church officials in Great Britain have reportedly assured lawmakers that Catholics who marry into the royal family would not be expected to raise their children in the Catholic faith.
During debate in the House of Lords on proposed changes in the Act of Settlement—the law that bars Catholics from the line of succession to the crown—Lord Wallace of Tankerness reported that he had been assured Catholics marrying a member of the royal family would not be held to the usual requirement that their children be raised as Catholics. Citing the general secretary of the bishops’ conference of England and Wales, Lord Wallace said:
I have the specific consent of Msgr. Stock to say that he was speaking on behalf of Archbishop Nichols as president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales and can inform the House that the view taken by the Catholic Church in England and Wales is that, in the instance of mixed marriages, the approach of the Catholic Church is pastoral.“Where it has not been possible for the child of a mixed marriage to be brought up as a Catholic, the Catholic parent does not fall subject to the censure of canon law,” Lord Wallace explained. He indicated that he had been assured that for the Catholic spouse of a member of the royal family, it would be regarded as “impossible” to raise a Catholic child.
/johnny
There was unity. Then the COE divided the nation and they complain that there was resistance to the change the COE imposed on the people.
The COE only valued stability when they were in charge.
I thought Gilles De Rais died without issue, he was a pretty sick pup, so it’s probably for the best.
However, what is the nearest Catholic relative in succession? I think it’s all the way down to the Duke of Kent’s grandchildren, which isn’t really as pressing as it was say in the twilight days of the Stuarts.
That has happened because our leaders have chosen to ignore the Constitution. Had we followed what the Constitution says, it would not have happened.
They did, but not directly. Among its provisions is The monarch "shall join in communion with the Church of England."
At this point the stolen property is pretty beaten up.
Although the romantic streak in me sees a picture of the ruined monasteries and wonders, “Imagine one day if this was restored to its ancient splendor”.
Again, I am being charitable to the intent, I do not like the outcomes either.
Here is a pertinent question: does the Church of England tolerate the Lodge, or do they pretend it is not there?
Monarchy is a great thing - I am considering going to live in England for that very reason - it provides continuous leadership that isn’t held hostage to polling and pandering. A country with a monarch, who embodies the traditions and values of a nation - doesn’t fall for an Obama or the Kennedy garbage as its political leader.
We had plenty of politicians.
/johnny
That Canterbury Cathedral looks pretty spiffy.
I pray for that, and their return. Though - they’d probably sell it for a mosque before they’d ever sell it to the Catholics.
Thank you for writing and posting this - I am sick of the ignorant, stupid comments that are constantly made on this topic. It’s okay to not be informed about this - or about anything else - but then, why oh why opine.
Bye Bye hope you like it.
But after living in NY, you might find it an improvement.
My daughter & son-in-law have been to England several times. She told me they have the most expensive and worst food in that part of the world.
De Rais' proclivities were not normal - not really conducive to Henry VIII levels of illegitimate fecundity.
Moreover, almost every noble house in Europe can trace their ancestry to at least the eleventh century, some to the eighth.
There are no historical records tracing any of these houses to de Rais, who died in 1440. Name one European noble descended from de Rais - it should be easily checkable.
De Rais was wealthy because he was awarded lands on account of his military accomplishments, being named Marshal of France. He was not the highest of high borns, and was actually disinherited. His remaining wealth and lands were seized by the King, his brother and his cousins.
I have been going there since childhood, so I know what it is like. The food can be great if you know where to go, and of course when one has friends, the home food is a diferent story.
Gillis was close enough related to this crowd to be considered an ancestor ~ Ann's the one who ends up in everybody's genealogy ~ and Gillis will be off on a jig on the Montmorency's a mere 20 years earlier. BTW, records generated in France from about 1380 to 1440 are not terribly reliable ~
OK
Whatever makes you happy.
I am not going anywhere abroad. Will be going to the NC in a month or so to see my grandson and let grandma play in the surf with him.
“Yeah, there was a reason - the civil wars STARTED BY the COE attempting to strip civil rights from Catholics”
Complete nonsense. We wont bother mentioning the Catholic Church calling for the assassination of Elizabeth I.
There are a whole variety of reasons why Catholics were increasingly discriminated against. Trying to blame it all on the COE is factually incorrect. Intolerance on both sides was to blame - the Martyrs under Bloody Mary testify to that. Catholics were just as bigoted and intolerant as the COE.
I take it your family doesn’t come from the Jacobites.
“The English King & Queen stuff is nonsense. I have some respect for the Queen, she is a classy lady, but the very idea of “our betters” deciding for us what we should do is dumb.”
Hmmm, somehow you must have missed our current King Obama and his lovely banged Queen Moochelle. Are they not “our betters” whom we are allowing to rule us?
Actually, the Church of England should be thrown out and return to the One, True, Catholic, Apostolic Church. The Theology is near perfect (pre-Vatican II, of course) -—the Catholic Church never “evolved” on Jesus’s idea of sodomy and divorce and sex outside of marriage, much less abortion and contraception.
And that idea of King Henry the VIII (who just wanted to validate serial polygamy) is based on pure evil (Satanism).
The Church of England was founded on heresy-—and can not be moral. There was no “God Given Right” to divorce and kill his “ex” wives and have sex validated with numerous women. You can never use human beings as a commodity to be discarded-—and the Catholic Church is the only Church which is consistent on all life issues—and aligned with Natural Law Theory (Science).
You obviously are not a fan of “Leftist Revisited” which actually argues the merits of hierarchy and the need for such a system where uniformity and heresy is nearly (if not) impossible. It is why the Protestant Churches have “evolved” to what Bonhoeffer stated in the 30’s when he visited Rockefeller’s church in New York City——”Religionless Christianity”. The Catholic Canon has been virtually unchanged for over 400 years. There is no “flaw” in their “thinking” as I have studied the Canon. It is pure genius and Common Sense, as G. K. Chesterton stated many times (The man in the 20th century with the most Common Sense).
Interesting that you think individuals can decide their own “Right and Wrong” or interpret “Good and Evil” without the thousands of years of debate and an intense study of history and ideas. (Philosophy/Theology). Return to the “tribal” cultures which never resulted in the “Age of Reason” and the Renaissance? Machiavelli would laugh at that “thought”. Actually, that leads to anarchy every time and only ignorant masses to be controlled by the evil.
Organization of society (as with all animals) must contain an order (hierarchy). It is the Design of Nature. Hierarchy is the most efficient system-—ask any CEO.
With hierarchy (if not corrupted)-—merit-—talent is released and rewarded and uniqueness and excellence is rewarded. All cultures flourish when structured where “roles” are different according to ability.
Radical egalitarianism erases every quality that makes human beings “unique” and “special” (e-quality)-—and dehumanizes everyone. Only a culture where certain people can “rise” to the top-—like cream-—can flourish. Even Athens—who had the first Democracy knew the evil of non-structured societies where everyone is treated the same.
There are no two people who are “equal” . No such thing. So “hierarchies” always occur “naturally” whether you want it or NOT-—so a system which allows such a structure-—could be called the most Natural thing of all-—which, of course, is what the Catholic Church “thinks”.
I think they are correct, like always.
Not allowing their children to be raised “Catholic” is allowing their kids to be ignorant of the Truth.
I am a Monarchist myself, to a degree—although I think the Republic, which is a system which absorbed both Democracy and Monarchy-—is the most perfect for Freedom——when our Constitution and Bill of Rights are not thrown out.
BTW, traditions are necessary for the continuation of a culture. Without traditions, the children never learn about the past. Without knowledge of the past-—children will not “progress”-—they will regress.
Throwing out traditions is the Marxist concept-—so they can redesign human beings-—into this artificial world of no freedom where no one understands the history and past-—so they believe any lie they are told.
Only knowledge of history and the Classics/philosophies gives people the understanding of reality-—so they do not repeat the past. Monarchies create a timeline where history can be organized and understood. There is beauty and dignity in the system-—as long as they are moral human beings (devout Catholics). (Philosopher/King concept goes back to Socrates and he was one profound thinker).
Technically, monarchies are always oligarchies in reality.
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