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"Jehovah's Witnesses' Untold Story of Resistance to Nazis"
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | 19961-10-6 | Joel P. Engardio,

Posted on 04/25/2013 2:16:56 PM PDT by count-your-change

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To: Vendome; All
Mr. Berenbaum returned my e-mail with permission to use his reply here. In answer to my request for clarification of his comment in the article, he said,

“I think it better to say that the Jehovah's Witnesses as a group were the only “voluntary victims” of the Holocaust. Individual Jews were certainly martyrs, the Jews as a group, as a people were victims.
By that I mean, that had the Witnesses been willing to renounce their faith or cease to proselytize, they would have been released from the concentration camps. Believing Christians — including Ministers, Priest and Nuns — whose had themselves converted to Christianity or whose parents and in some cases grandparents had converted to Christianity —war victimized as Jews. Certainly not by choice.

Does that make it more clear.

Michael”

A gracious reply to someone he doesn't know at all, compare it to the comments of some of these self styled “Christians”!

41 posted on 04/25/2013 5:14:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

Tell him thank you for his gracious reply and I can agree with it and do.


42 posted on 04/25/2013 5:16:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
I did thank him. Eeee-ffusively.
43 posted on 04/25/2013 5:29:59 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: MeganC

If he changed his name would it help you? You could of course read his e-mail to me unless that’s too much trouble.


46 posted on 04/25/2013 6:05:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: fso301

I’ve studied the persecution of the church for 30 yrs. Hitler had a whole list of Christian denominations he outlawed and persecuted.


48 posted on 04/25/2013 6:32:36 PM PDT by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: OneVike

What is really sad is the utter coldness and hatred you are showing to a religious minority - in a conversation directly related to their torture and slaughter!

I don’t get JW’s and their theology. I have serious doubts about a lot of their core beliefs. I also, however, believe in seeing the face of Christ in all of his creation.

It would appear that you have a very ambivalent attitude about the treatment of fellow human beings based solely on their religious beliefs. I suggest you speak with your pastor about your feelings - perhaps he can guide you on the proper way to approach our brothers and sisters in God’s creation. If your pastor is the one putting these poisonous feelings in your heart, seek a different church.

Peace be with you.


54 posted on 04/25/2013 7:55:59 PM PDT by HoosierDammit (St. Vincent de Paul, pray for us!)
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To: fso301; svcw

Can’t he go vomit somewhere else? This isn’t that kind of joint.


55 posted on 04/25/2013 7:57:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: aimhigh

 

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

~Pastor Martin Niemöller

Community and individuality are not opposites. People cannot survive on their own. When the odds are stacked against you, you must rally with the oppressed and hated.

When a growing oppressive regime is taking hold, you must act, otherwise you will soon face your enemy alone and hopeless.

Strength of community is a strength as much as individualism, as long you are willing to face weaknesses in your own community. Ignoring slacking values will mean that you will be rallied against by those you oppress.

Niemöller affirms we must rally against unhealthy organized regimes. We must also stay vigilant with those that appear to be good natured, as all organisation attracts corruption. Niemöller also warns us that if it is you who are corrupt, then you will face a stronger combined force of foe!

~Vexen Crabtree


57 posted on 04/25/2013 8:14:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fso301

Do you think the author might change his point of view if he visited Auschwitz?


58 posted on 04/25/2013 8:16:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Vendome
What would he say when he meets up with St. Maximilian Kolbe who gave his life so that a man with a family might live?

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59 posted on 04/25/2013 8:19:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: OneVike

I’m a devout Catholic, and I don’t believe good people will go to hell just because they haven’t found Jesus. In fact, given the Church’s outreach to other religions, I don’t believe the Church feels that way either.


60 posted on 04/25/2013 8:23:21 PM PDT by HawkHogan
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