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To: Mad Dawg
As usual, a great many of those who disagree have no clue what the Pope means when he says "Church." Some people prefer being outraged to knowing the thing they're outraged about.

So one must have the secret Catholic decoder ring to understand what this man plainly said? See now I have had up front and personal nearly 40 years of this same mentality of not being able to have or be near Christ because I was not stamped Catholic.... It is not outrage, it is 'righteousness indignation' there is a vast difference in the two. Most especially when it has been those CINOS that obviously have this church's Christ that have been in charge of making a mockery of what our founding 'fathers' put into writing.... God gives unalienable rights that no flesh man or government can give or take... Look who in the numbers are all about fixing that big problem.

35 posted on 04/23/2013 2:08:21 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
See now I have had up front and personal nearly 40 years of this same mentality of not being able to have or be near Christ because I was not stamped Catholic....

Maybe this will be a blessing and a balm to you. This is what the Vatican II Council said about those who were Christian outside of the Roman Catholic Church.

The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities. Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God. They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood.

That was almost 50 years ago, so someone has been mistaken in their own faith if they have been conveying to you that you have not been able to be near or have Christ because you were not stamped Catholic. The Catholic Church views you as Christian.

44 posted on 04/23/2013 2:18:33 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - New Robin Hood book out!)
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To: Just mythoughts
So one must have the secret Catholic decoder ring to understand what this man plainly said?

Nope. One must be able and willing to read. That's all.

Building straw men will not help. Generally the builders of straw men don't want the truth, they want to win the exchange. So I don't engage with them.

What Catholics understand by "Church" and "the Church" and how they view the necessity of Baptism has been so often laid out on FR that the kindest possible explanation for the arguments offered against what Pope Francis said is culpable negligence.

Another freeper has put up a couple of threads arguing against basic dogma of Catholicism but has done so without the lust for specious victory which is too often seen here. There's no need and no profit in the kind of argumentative response this thread already shows.

"Secret Catholic decoder ring?" Really?

60 posted on 04/23/2013 2:50:23 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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