Posted on 04/11/2013 11:16:18 PM PDT by DouglasKC
>> “It’s a matter of salvation.” <<
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No, you are quite wrong.
It was never salvation for Moses, nor is it salvation for anyone.
Salvation comes only from appropriating the shed blood of Yeshua; there is nothing else.
Tell it to DouglasKC, not me. It's his view, not mine.
The point of the article is a "church" that teaches it is absolutely required - not someone who "feels so led" - and that Christians not teaching this are Counterfeit Christians.
That's false. The shed blood of Christ can only save.
Jews keep the holy days, albeit differently, than Christians. But this doesn't give them a pass for rejecting the messiah.
However, obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ is deeply tied to salvation:
Heb_5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
Obedience is spoken of extensively in scripture. The problem with rejecting the holy days and sabbaths of the Lord is that they were given for our benefit...to help us grow spiritually, to let us know the Lord and his great love and mercy. Keeping his days are an expression of love, obedience and joy because we decide that we will sacrifice our thoughts and feelings and let HIS spirit keep HIS days through us.
It's not required to be saved. However is one is called to be one of the elect of the Lord he will want to and should keep these days. If one is truly called then not keeping his sabbaths are rebellion against him because he commands us to keep his sabbaths as a visible sign of our recognition that he is the truly one and only God of Israel.
Exo_31:13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
Eze_20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.
Eze_20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.'
Paul and other Christians did not obviate or do away with circumcision. They only came to the realization that it was not needed for salvation since gentiles received God's spirit without the benefit of physical circumcision.
Which would indicate the other laws *were* needed for salvation.
And just here, you posted:
However, obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ is deeply tied to salvation… Keeping his days are an expression of love, obedience…
So are following the law on holy days and diet a matter of salvation or not?
So is one in rebellion not saved?
I don't know. As I've said for what seems dozens of times it's not my job to know or determine who is saved or not. That's the job of Jesus Christ.
However, if someone did have the spirit of God and they are in rebellion then there is a real danger that they could reject his spirit...this is the deadly sin..blasphemy against the holy spirit.
And deadly sin definitely means no salvation and therefore you must not be in rebellion by not observing the holy days and dietary laws.
God is infinitely patient, loving and kind. Much more so than I. There are sins that I do and commit that I'm not aware of and I'm sure God is understanding and knows my desire to overcome sin and live a pure life in Christ.
In the same way those that deny the 4th commandment may be in a similar situation. They may very well be in denial or not yet able to see their sin in this regard. But the Lord wishes all to come to repentance and so will patiently wait.
So the observing holy days and dietary laws is not such a big deal after all.
Oh sure...if you believe that violating any of the ten commandments is not a "big" deal...
Not a big deal in regards to salvation.
I mean, of course, according to you it’s not a big deal in regards to salvation.
Of course it's big deal...especially for one who professes Christ. Anytime someone is willfully and knowingly committing sin and refuses to repent it is a very big deal.
As we’re talking about observing the jewish holy days and dietary laws, then you are saying observing the jewish holy days and dietary laws is a big deal as regards salvation - it is a matter of salvation.
So you said this was false statement earlier, because?
What I said earlier was that keeping the holy days and food laws of the Lord Jesus Christ does not save us. Plenty of people have or will do this and won't be saved. A good example is the Pharisees.
It's the same with not killing and not robbing. Plenty of people don't do those things, but that won't save them.
But at the same time does that make it "okay" to rob and kill? Of course not.
I know you're struggling with this...let me try an analogy:
Let's say I tell my son that if he plays in the road that there's a good chance he'll get hit by a car and die.
My son says "I think you're wrong...I'm going to play in the road."
My son continues to play in the road. How long do you think it will be before he gets hit by a car?
If a Christian falls into this trap of sin, believes that robbing or killing or breaking the Lord's sabbath is "okay" because they've got the spirit of the Lord and willfully and continually does it then they're playing in the road. They're blaspheming, rebelling against the Lord and eventually they'll get to the point of rejecting his spirit.
Hope it helps....
I said your view was it’s a matter of salvation. You said: “that’s false.”
No, I’m not having trouble with it, because it’s not a sin.
What I’m having trouble with is clearly identifying your view on it.
Now, other than for the UCG and maybe a couple of other sects, it’s not a sin at all. It’s not even considered in the subject of repenting, therefore.
So, for Christians in this case, is it a matter of salvation or not? Not done, not repented for not doing.
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