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Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Istar, OK?
Daily Beast ^ | Megan McCardle

Posted on 03/30/2013 9:35:24 PM PDT by donmeaker

My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science:

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: christianity; constantine; easter; feastoffirstfruits; hislop; ishtar; istar; pagan; passover
There are myths, and there are silly myths. Some silly misses believe in silly myths.
1 posted on 03/30/2013 9:35:24 PM PDT by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker

Think of Istar/Ishtar (aka Semiramis who was married to Nimrod) as Hillary Clinton on steroids!


2 posted on 03/30/2013 9:44:26 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: donmeaker; fellowpatriot; MarineMom613; Ron C.; wolfman23601; ColdOne; navymom1; Pat4ever; ...
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3 posted on 03/30/2013 9:57:14 PM PDT by narses
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To: donmeaker

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, but whaddaya know: It’s an egg laying rabbit. Go figger.


4 posted on 03/30/2013 10:00:44 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
What happened to the rabbit in Poland...



More funny pics here.
5 posted on 03/30/2013 10:05:37 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Think of Istar/Ishtar (aka Semiramis who was married to Nimrod) as Hillary Clinton on steroids!

Hildebeeste as a 'sex goddess'?!?!?!?!?!

BAAAAARRRRFFFFF!!!!!

6 posted on 03/30/2013 10:07:24 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Not that part! I’m talking about the side of Semiramis that wasn’t very nice to put it nicely.


7 posted on 03/30/2013 10:10:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

No Polish rabbit jokes, please!


8 posted on 03/30/2013 11:08:17 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: roamer_1

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.


9 posted on 03/30/2013 11:14:13 PM PDT by narses
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To: donmeaker

I guess Megan didn’t look too far at the Old English and Old German roots of the ‘Easter’ and the English language.


10 posted on 03/30/2013 11:17:14 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: donmeaker

clever riposte


11 posted on 03/30/2013 11:42:09 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: donmeaker

“There are myths, and there are silly myths. Some silly misses believe in silly myths”

And silly myths about myths.


12 posted on 03/31/2013 2:32:01 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: donmeaker
Divide and conquer always seems to work for those who attack Christianity in this country.

It's worked this way at least since Julian the Apostate. First people who claim to be Christian spread little bits of propaganda supporting the next thing on the anti-Christ agenda. Then a few "Christian authors" start to discuss "both sides of the issue", an issue created by anti-Christ propaganda. Then, the academic anti-Christian "theologians" start talking about how in the name of equality and fairness, to set a good "Christian" example to the world, "Christians" shouldn't be imposing their beliefs on others.

Finally, the popular media and media personalities promote the "new normal" that eliminates something Christian from society while they mock and slander anyone who doesn't go along to get along in the interest of "true" freedom of religion. The result is that very few people who claim to be Christian ever stand up for what has been Christian practice and/or tradition for generations if not for hundreds of years or even dozens of centuries.

At least two thirds of the people who spread the garbage about Christmas or Easter being "pagan holidays" and say "real Christians" shouldn't celebrate those holidays just have a screen name and associated legend they use while pretending to be Christian. They're no more Christian than Richard Dawkins or King Barry. At best, they're deluded members of the Watchtower crowd or some other Russelite anti-Christ cancer pretending to be Christians of sorts. The fact of the matter is that they're propagandists helping the anti-Christ agenda along by trying to spread doubt and divisions among Christians as a way to undermine resistance to the anti-Christ agenda.

The others, maybe a third of the total, are just pathetic dupes who drift in the wind and go along with whatever strokes their ego this week. Due to their beliefs being entwined with their desire to go along to get along and their need for acceptence, they're easy pray for anti-Christ propaganda disguised as "Christian insight".

Either Jesus Christ makes all things new, or He doesn't. If He doesn't he isn't God.

How can anyone actually believe He does make all things new then go along with the idea that if Christians celebrate His Resurrection or anything else on a day some pagan group, at some time in ancient history, may have celebrated something else, it's Christians who should yield to the pagans and denounce their Christian celebration?

When you see a few people who claim to be Christian start spreading "Biblical" reasons for Christians to retreat on a particular issue, what you're seeing is the opening gambit of the next anti-Christ push by the Father of Lies. We're already seeing the anti-Christ crowd assume victory over Easter and Christmas to start work on their next agenda item, which is the same one that always preceeds the establishment of a State religion; siezing all church owned property of any kind.

The opening gambit shows up on FR from time to time as comments about how no Church needs to own a building, hospital, or any other property anyway. Everyone can just worship in their own home. Intrinisic to that view are other thins, like we're not supposed to live our beliefs to the extent that they're visible in our public behavior, surrendering society to anti-Christian principals isn't any big deal, and being free to hide and read the Bible is the same thing as religious freedom.

13 posted on 03/31/2013 4:16:51 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Today is the Feast of First Fruit and we celebrate Yahshua the Messiah's Resurrection and He became the First Fruit from the dead. The Feast of First Fruit was to be celebrated on the 1st day after the 7th day after Passover which would make it fall on a Sunday every year. This of course is according to Lev. 23, the Bible. What you are espousing is all man's doctrine and traditions. So you follow man, the remnant will follow the Bible.
14 posted on 03/31/2013 4:34:34 AM PDT by ladyL
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To: 9YearLurker

She actually mentioned it in the article.

But Ishtar was never worshiped by the Old English, the Angles and Saxons becoming Christians of one sort or another long before the Old English language developed. Same with the Germans and Old German.


15 posted on 03/31/2013 5:26:48 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: ladyL
Where'd you get this "Bible" thing from? How do you know what books belong in it, and what books don't? Where in the Bible does God authorize anyone to write a single word of the New Testament? Oh, yeah: that's all *tradition*, every bit of it.

BTW, any Orthodox Jew will tell you that you can't properly celebrate a single feast of the Jewish year, or even properly understand a single verse of Torah, apart from the teaching of the sages and rabbis, which is ... *tradition*.

In fact, by claiming that celebrating Jewish holy days is somehow meaningful or meritorious apart from keeping the whole Law and the whole Jewish tradition, you're establishing a tradition of your own.

Happy Paschal Sunday Feast of the Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

16 posted on 03/31/2013 5:32:56 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Rashputin

I figure it occurred before Julian.

Early Church fathers suppressed the Gospels of Peter, Thomas, and Judas. They did so because they didn’t care for the messages contained in those gospels.

Julian’s great oppression of Christianity was to forbid Christians from teaching the Iliad and Odyssey, just as Pagans were not permitted to teach the Gospel. Roman Pagans prefer to refer to Julian as “the Divine”.


17 posted on 03/31/2013 5:33:29 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
Ishtar...that rings only this bell for me....


18 posted on 03/31/2013 5:39:31 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: 9YearLurker
The root of "Easter" isn't Babylonian, and, as the article correctly notes, practically everyone else in Western Europe calls Easter by a name cognate to "Passover". Should we believe that Babylonians brought Easter to England, but mysteriously skipped Greece, Italy, Spain, etc.?

The whole "Easter"-"Ishtar" thing was started by an incredibly ignorant man named Alexander Hislop, who had absolutely no scholarly credentials in linguistics or archaeology, simply invented some of the "evidence" he cites in his book, and was blissfully ignorant of Christianity outside England.

19 posted on 03/31/2013 5:44:18 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I know I don’t want to live in a place where snow art is an Easter tradition.


20 posted on 03/31/2013 5:50:44 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: donmeaker

That poster in the article says, “After Constantine decided to Christianize the empire, Easter was changed to represent Jesus” is a strange anachronism. Do they imagine that Constantine spoke English? No: Constantine spoke Greek, and the only thing that changed about Easter on his account was that he promulgated a decree making uniform the date of a feast he, and his decree, called “PASCHA”.


21 posted on 03/31/2013 5:56:22 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion
The root of "Easter" isn't Babylonian, and, as the article correctly notes, practically everyone else in Western Europe calls Easter by a name cognate to "Passover". Should we believe that Babylonians brought Easter to England, but mysteriously skipped Greece, Italy, Spain, etc.?

Look up Ea/Oestre/Ostara. same dang thing, all over again. Sure it is Babylon, right at the root - Why was Esther's name changed to 'Esther' (Her actual name is Hadasa)? What is the entymology surrounding the word?

What they call it doesn't matter. it is not what was ordained, and it follows the tradition of the pagans. That all y'all co-opted it doesn't make it good. We are *not* to do as the pagans do, and say it is for Him. That is an abomination.

The whole "Easter"-"Ishtar" thing was started by an incredibly ignorant man named Alexander Hislop, who had absolutely no scholarly credentials in linguistics or archaeology, simply invented some of the "evidence" he cites in his book, and was blissfully ignorant of Christianity outside England.

Funny, but I was accused for years of drawing upon Hislop... Anyone making a comparative study of pagan gods will certainly be able to see where he is coming from (whether one agrees or not). I was able to arrive at a very similar conclusion, having never read him until recently. There are broad similarities between pantheons. To claim no linkage is just ludicrous.

22 posted on 03/31/2013 8:07:51 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Campion
No: Constantine spoke Greek, and the only thing that changed about Easter on his account was that he promulgated a decree making uniform the date of a feast he, and his decree, called “PASCHA”.

This is disingenuous. What Constantine did was to tear Christianity away from it's Hebrew root. Quite amazing, isn't it, that Constantine's compromise landed Pascha directly upon the day of Ishtar/Isis? What a coincidence, huh?

23 posted on 03/31/2013 8:14:59 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
What Constantine did was to tear Christianity away from it's Hebrew root.

By ratifying the decision of the bishops, most of whom suffered persecution for the faith under Diocletian? What rot!

Quite amazing, isn't it, that Constantine's compromise landed Pascha directly upon the day of Ishtar/Isis?

Care to provide evidence that there was a "day of Ishtar" that fell on the Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox ON THE JULIAN CALENDAR ???

Of course not; the Babylonians knew of no such day, nor of the calendar on which it was based, nor did Constantine know of any holiday called "Easter".

24 posted on 03/31/2013 8:48:18 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: roamer_1
"Broad similarities between pantheons" prove absolutely nothing except that human cultures are broadly similar. For example, Hislop tries to claim that a picture of the Madonna and Child is somehow evidence of pagan influence. Setting aside the fact that a picture of the Madonna and Child depicts an event that Hislop's own religion claims actually happened, we can observe only that every culture, including pagan ones, has mothers and children. And pictures of them together.

What does Esther have to do with Easter, aside from the similarity in sound? Obviously Esther lived in a pagan country next door to Babylon, not in Anglo-Saxon England.

Please, explain to me why no name sounding remotely like "Ishtar" has EVER been used for Easter outside England, Holland, western German dialect, and I believe Norwegian? How did "Babylonian, right at the root" get from Mesopotamia to England, missing everywhere in between? Teleportation? Ancient astronauts?

Hislop was exactly what Paul had in mind when he warned us against cleverly designed myths.

25 posted on 03/31/2013 9:03:03 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: ladyL
So, you've accept Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God, God from God, and our Savior through His death on the cross but you're hung up on Jewish feast days?
26 posted on 03/31/2013 9:05:22 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: donmeaker

Sure.

And Dan Brown knows more than anyone who has ever lived even Jesus Christ Himself and the Apostoles.


27 posted on 03/31/2013 9:06:04 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Campion

Your lack of knowledge at calling the Feasts Jewish shows you are too far away from me instructing you in truth so let’s leave it at I will have to respectfully disagree with your entire position. Perhaps I would have to study the Bible another 30 years before I could tackle this job. May you have a good First Fruit Feast.


28 posted on 03/31/2013 9:20:28 AM PDT by ladyL
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To: Rashputin

At least he knew to sell his books as fiction.


29 posted on 04/01/2013 6:04:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
At least he knew to sell his books as fiction."

Which shows he smarter than the sort of  gullible mental dwarf who claims The Gnostic Hoax of Judas is nonfiction.

30 posted on 04/01/2013 9:34:58 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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