Skip to comments.Do we love those inclined to homosexuality enough to stop same-sex ‘marriage’?
Posted on 03/26/2013 8:02:07 PM PDT by ReformationFan
Lets get one thing straight.
In this battle over same-sex marriage it often sounds like those pushing the dismantling of traditional marriage have the upper hand in terms of love. You are opposed to love!; How does the love between me and my partner affect you in your marriage?; Why cant I be allowed to love whomever I choose?
These are the tough arguments from love facing those who are fighting to protect marriage from radical redefinition.
In truth, however, love is the principle reason to fight same-sex marriage.
You see, law is a teacher and enshrining same-sex marriage in law would lead many people to believe that homosexual sexual relations are equal to those of heterosexual married couples. The difficulty, of course, is that while sexual acts between heterosexual married couples can be totally healthy and positive, the same can never be said of sexual acts between persons of the same sex, whether they happen within a relationship given the name marriage or not.
Our bodies were not designed for that behavior, and our anatomy itself gives that testimony. The negative mental and physical health consequences that flow from homosexual sex are many and the medical evidence pointing to them is readily available on LifeSiteNews.
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No, no, no. The American Pediatric Association said its fine, so its fine. Don’t you dare look at actual studies!
This is excellent. Thank you so much, for posting this. (You may list me as a Reformation Fan Fan.)
IMO, i don’t hate homosexuals per se. Some i have even called friend. What they choose to do in their lives or who they love is between them and god. They are choosing their own road and their own future. But....To try and say that what they have, what they want and what they contribute to society is as good as what a man and a woman in a loving relationship contribute is a lie. They don’t produce children, they don’t contribute health and spirituality and with a law passed on this they would be granted the right to adopt children ( as an adoptee that is disgusting to me) and our churches would be forced to perform weddings for them against our religion. not ok with me.
Same-sex “marriage” will make little practical difference in the lives of active homosexuals. The majority will not get “married,” and the rate of promiscuity will remain about the same for the “married” and unmarried.
What this really is about is constructing a massive new battering ram to drive Christians from the “public square,” shutting down as many church-related charities as possible, etc.
I have never seen a movement so hateful, except the abortion movement.
Homo issue is a diversion by the liberals to distract and divide. By forcing the GOP to go anti-Homo will give them most gay voters. Just like significant portion of women voters are against anti-abortion agenda.
Countries like Greece, Cyprus, Spain are in great difficulty with 15-25% unemployment, jump in homeless people, jump in suicide rates, etc. is because of going in debt to hand out free stuff. Those countries are no more pro-Homo than other European countries who are not in serious debt situation. Actually just the opposite. Netherlands, Germany, Scandinavia etc are more sympathetic to the gay issue.
Hasn’t the left peddled the notion to normal men and women that “sex and love are two different things”?
I think it’s time we refer them back to their own argument. Among others.
There is not one mention of marriage in the US constitution.
I think we ought to do the same thing to the left on issues we can easily win on as well.
Take economics. With all the taxes, fees, surcharges, restrictions and regulations and other things libtards want to push on people for all the necessary things they need to live their current lives, they’d be tacking on tens of thousands of dollars to the average persons’ bills. (ex Obamacare and all it’s done to raise taxes and costs of a whole array of things.) Libtards would counter that while that may be true not all of their ideas are in place at the same time so their impact is greatly less. We counter that the only reason for that is we’ve stopped them from implementing their plans and if we had not, the average person would be seriously worse off for little to no better ANYTHING in their lives. The only reason everyone’s bills are lower including liberals is we’ve stopped them from implementing their entire agendas.
Peopel over on yahoo . com keep insistign that ‘religious peopel shoudl keep their religious rules out of governemnt and stop preventign gay marriage” and it just boggles the mind that peopel can be that ignorant first of all it’s SECULAR law that has been preventign gay marriage- NOT religious law- secondly- thse same peopel screamign about keeping religious rules out of our laws are currently enjoying many many protections fro mthe law that ARE based on religious rules- For instance- If we remove ‘thou shalt not steal’ fro mthe law- then these peopel screaming about keeping religious rules out of law woudl be screaming abotu their neighbors stealign from them and not being punished- on and on it goes-
But aside from that the FACT is that governemnt secularism is responsible for the prevention of gay marriage simply because gays can not reproduce and hterefore can’t create new generations which our government can then tax- it’s a money issue folks- it is NOT a relgiious issue- never has been ever since govenrment took over the ‘duty’ of marriage allowances and so bastardized it as to make it unrecognizable practically- So to all those insisting that religion is to blame- pull yer headsw out of yer butts and learn the actual facts-
[[Homo issue is a diversion by the liberals to distract and divide. By forcing the GOP to go anti-Homo will give them most gay voters.]]
2% of the population? Honestly- the left can have them-
Sorry this is so long......Some things are not understood by most people.
The problem is that these people want to identify as “homosexual”. When they define themselves by a vile sexual act-—you should never expose children to them because of ideas that will be forced into the minds of children at an age where the idea separates morality from sex.
It destroys their normal sexual identity process to put ideas of anal sex in their heads-—All ideas in young childhood become foundational -they are embedded and you can’t disassociate that idea from your mind ever. That is why harem of boys in Afghanistan are excited about growing up and having their own harem of boys. It is learned behavior-—modeled. That is why homosexuals want in the Boy Scouts. In Germany the BS was founded by homosexuals so they could have orgies in the woods with boys. (led to the Hitler Youth (Homo Youth).
Promiscuity and Sadism results from young children being exposed to” sex ed in a group setting with strangers. It removes the dignity and intimacy and privacy necessary for healthy long term relationships. The sex act is designed to be by two people in an intimate, private place.
Why do you think that group sex is popular and there is such exhibitionism in the arts and no shame. There is no Good and Evil-—it is erased in the schools on purpose—to kill the concept of God and destroy Christianity so that society will collapse. Without Virtue—there is no Free Republic possible (known since Socrates). This has been the plan since Dewey (Fabian Socialist) control education to corrupt the minds of vulnerable kids to collapse culture.
Sex Ed and media normalizes group sex, any kind of sex—doesn’t matter—morality is removed and they glorify it -—make “pride” days to flip Good and evil and “kill God”.
What if someone was vomiting next to you, as you are eating beans. It would make you gag and from then on whenever you eat beans, you will always be reminded of vomit. (BF Skinner). All our curricula is laced with “operant conditioning” to force “group think” and trigger the proper emotions in children (they feel uncomfortable when “Capitalism” is talked about-—hatred when “conservative or Christian is mentioned). Emotions are manipulated to decide everything-—truth and good and evil. There is no Reason. (Marxism reduces man to their base instincts—they can’t control their base instincts (chaos)—and they can be “trained” like a dog in schools so they become ideologues-—can’t use logic.
You will never be able to look at beans in a normal way for the rest of your life. Sex is the same. Whatever you are exposed to—makes a serious impression that is permanent. That is why child abuse destroys children. It becomes impossible for them to “see” people in a wholesome way-—there worldview is warped and will always warp it. They can’t erase the experience because childhood experiences are foundational.
-—that is why Rousseau stated that innocence was essential so that children were educable. With sex introduced before puberty—children will not achieve academically (another reason Marxist want Sex Ed in schools-—dumb, sex-obsessed kids who can’t reason and run on “urges” with no restraints—and children will never develop a normal sexual identity. (Marcuse).
[[What they choose to do in their lives or who they love is between them and god.]]
That’s not entirely true=- what they do i between them, God, AND the rest of us due to the FACT that the majority of homosexualks lead VERY dangerous lives and have been a leading contributor to rising health care costs and tax payer funded research into ‘preventing’ a disease that they coudl prevent themselves just by beign moral- Not to mention the FACT that childrn of gay coupels overwhelingly end up with mental health issues and emotional problems and commit suicide far more than noraml kids do- so to say they don’t affect anyoen but themselves is simply untrue- and let’s also not forget that they also affected many blood transfusion recipients who contracted aids simpyl from gettign blood transfusins donated by gay folks- and hte spread of all manner of comunicable diseases by havign many partners both straight and gay-
The gay lifestyle is ANYTHING but harmless!
If it is only 2% homo’s, why are we wasting time pontificating on the issue? Why are we taking the California court decision to SOCTUS? All it is doing is giving the issue more sympathy votes.
Also do not forget that 2% somo’s have parents, brothers, sisters, cousins, friends etc. That Ohio senator Rob Portman just turned pro-Homo rights because his son is gay.
I couldn’t agree more. The left is trying to force the GOP to engage them on social issues to distract from the economy. We should not let them.
“Those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him.”
[[If it is only 2% homos, why are we wasting time pontificating on the issue?]]
Because thta low percentage (not sure what hte actual percentage is, but it’s very low) are tryign to destroy the insitution of marriage, tryign to destroy parent’s right to keep their kids from beign force fed the gay agenda, tryign to force churches to disobey God on and on it goes- that small percentage has been given huge power thanks to a main stream media who is hell bent on turnign htis country into a Godless soddom and ghomorrah
The SCOTUS will mostl ikely refuse to hear hte issue- sendign it back to the state of cali- who will promptly overtunr the will of the people- even in californication the majority do NOT want gayb marriage, but hte minority are still over-ruling the people’s will
[[Also do not forget that 2% somos have parents, brothers, sisters, cousins, friends etc. That Ohio senator Rob Portman just turned pro-Homo rights because his son is gay.]]
That still only amounts to a very small percentage- I say let them have them- let the left court and bed them- let them self destruct together-
Do we love them enough to be honest and direct about our conversations and not be afraid of offending them and others supporting this monstrosity, this social, psychological, emotional and religious sickness?
I am not so sure. The gays have done nothing to stop me from having a traditional family. I indoctrinated my 2 kids early and both turned out perfectly normal high achieving kids. The gays have not affected my family one iota.
But of course unfortunate kids whose parents do not do their job can fall prey to the liberal onslaught. I will grant you that. But again my point is, by appearing to fight the gay agenda, we are giving it more publicity followed by sympathy from people themselves living a normal hetero life. It is best ignored. A fight becomes interesting to MSM only when there two sides fighting each other.