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Gay Marriage Is the Media's Vehicle, Destination Is to Destroy the Church
Big Journalism ^ | 3/26/2013 | John Nolte

Posted on 03/26/2013 6:34:43 PM PDT by markomalley

If anyone wants to argue that the same government currently forcing religious institutions to purchase the abortion pill through ObamaCare will not eventually use civil rights violations in order to attempt to force the Church to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies -- good luck with that.

But this would have been unthinkable five years ago.

It was just three months ago that the White House and media piled on a reverend for preaching the Bible's teachings on homosexuality. The result was his invitation to speak at Obama's inauguration being rescinded.

This would have been unthinkable five years ago.

With the election of Pope Francis, we have news anchors openly clamoring that the Church is out of step on same-sex marriage.

This would have been unthinkable five years ago.

Fifteen years ago, the same leftists and media assuring us today that same-sex marriage won't be imposed on the Church were telling us that civil unions (which I've always supported) would never lead to gay marriage.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: christianity; christianpersecution; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; radicalleft; ssm
Yup. Exactly.
1 posted on 03/26/2013 6:34:43 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

the true destination is to destroy the family as a bedrock of civilization


2 posted on 03/26/2013 6:36:19 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: markomalley

Check out the ad on the right hand side of the page. LOL. Crazy


3 posted on 03/26/2013 6:43:23 PM PDT by STJPII
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To: markomalley

Attacks on Christians claiming they are old fashioned and bigoted against gays will continue. Meanwhile no attacks toward Muslims.


4 posted on 03/26/2013 6:44:46 PM PDT by eekitsagreek
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To: markomalley

Correct, the intent is to destroy the Church as has been tried so many times before. It always fails and it will fail again. The gates of hell will not prevail (that would make a good protest chant). But we are certainly in for a big fight ahead.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 6:45:14 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: markomalley

People have been trying to destroy Christ for 2000 years and God from the beginning........
The MSM media will not be successful either.


6 posted on 03/26/2013 6:47:21 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: markomalley
Redefine marriage, encourage homosexuality, redefine ages of consent, legalize pedophilia. Read the 1972 Gay Conference proceedings and plan. Also the conference was made up of communists that masqueraded as Civil Rights activists.
7 posted on 03/26/2013 6:49:39 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

Do you have a link?


8 posted on 03/26/2013 6:53:22 PM PDT by STJPII
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To: markomalley

Most people who support gay marriage are irreligious, and couldn’t care less what a church does or doesn’t do. If they stop to think about the Church they think it’ll end up about where it is in Western Europe or Japan; about as relevant in the lives of most poeple as their neighbor’s bridge club.


9 posted on 03/26/2013 6:53:33 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: markomalley

Don’t forget that Navy Chaplains cannot pray in the name of “Jesus”.


10 posted on 03/26/2013 6:54:43 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley

The problem with those of the Libertarian bent, folks who have been heavily influenced by Ron Paul and others, who are trying to surrender the fight to defend marriage and the natural family for us, is that they utterly fail to recognize a number of critically important things:

1) The fundamental nature of the marriage bond and its character as the basis for all human civilization, governance and economy.

2) The moral depravity that the homosexual idea represents.

3) The fact that if you give government over to moral depravity you will have destroyed the possibility of republican, constitutional self-government.

Our first President:

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.”

— George Washington

Our second President:

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our constitution as a whale goes through a net.”

— John Adams

Our third President:

“No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”

— Thomas Jefferson

Our fourth President:

“The aim of every political Constitution, is or ought to be first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust.”

— James Madison


11 posted on 03/26/2013 6:55:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Legislate that down is up if you will, but take my advice, don't jump off cliffs anyway.)
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To: only1percent

I do not agree that people who support homosexuals are irreligious.

Mostof those who are not gay and support homosexuals have a loved one who is Homosexual. They support that child in spite of religion, in spite of anything, just as the Mother and Aunt lied for that baby murdering mother humper who shot the baby in the face.


12 posted on 03/26/2013 6:57:49 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley

My wife and I were discussing this issue tonight from a different angle—we were making a list of local churches we’re familiar with that would or would not knowingly accept same-sex married couples into their congregation.


13 posted on 03/26/2013 7:49:23 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Venturer

They are irrational and ignorant, which makes them irreligious. Wisdom and Knowledge is needed to be moral and virtuous. Wisdom is a Virtue. Courage to speak the Truth to evil, is a Virtue.

To not be outraged at people who mock God and defile their bodies in evil ways and use others in such a dehumanizing way, can never be OK. By not condemning it—they are doing evil.

Christianity is always about Truth and is aligned with Natural laws. There is nothing “natural” about sodomy. You habituate yourself with the good. If people don’t admit their sin and persist in sinning—you do not hang around them. It is clear in the Bible.

It is “cognitive dissonance” to ever think that sodomizing others is “good”. It is evil. Sodomy is a Vice. If you persist in Vice or allow it, you are evil.

It destroys Virtue in human beings-—you can NOT be moral and “think” sodomy is “good” because it is using human beings as a “means to an end”-—for selfish lust. Poking things into cavities for “love” is never what they are doing. It is a Satanic urge which is learned-—usually by child abuse so it should be discouraged in ALL decent societies. Look at Afghanistan where sodomy is accepted as “good”-—it is a warped worldview and boys always will suffer the abuse because of the immaturity and idolatry of sodomy and the normalizing which cultures do (Samurai).

You can never teach young children in their formative years such evil ideas—it warps their perception of their bodies in a vulgar, evil way-—Sodomy is vile. That is why forcing laws to make it “good” is evil and will collapse our culture—exactly what the Cultural Marxists designed.

You can never teach your children Christian Ethics if you allow homosexuals to “marry” and ACT like their vile acts are intrinsically good. It blurs good and evil in children, confuses their normal sexual identity formation, because they will look at men and women in a perverted, unnatural (illogical) way. It corrupts their ability to Reason.

Why do you think kids can’t “think” anymore-—they are ignorant and “feel” the “truth” with all the Marxist indoctrination—that radical egalitarianism (lies) which state that men and women are interchangeable. It is a lie and irrational and unnatural. It is dehumanizing to both men and women-—(evil) to deny their very masculine and feminine attributes and treat them as interchangeable and NOT UNIQUE. Christianity treats ALL humans as UNIQUE==and they NEVER can deny their Natural attributes-—it is the Truth—science.

It is amazing that Marxists act like religion is so “unscientific” when they have thrown out science and reason, to claim two men are the same as two women. It is irrational. Marxism is irrational-—as Ayn Rand explained.


14 posted on 03/26/2013 7:58:17 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

Good post.


15 posted on 03/26/2013 8:15:33 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: markomalley
I would want my church to require that you be a member in good standing at the church to have a pastor marry you there. God loves the homosexual but hates the sin. Homos are welcome, just not practicing (sinning) homosexuals, unless they are looking for help.

And also be prepared to see your tax-free status rescinded - and have the funds to fight it all the way to SCOTUS.

16 posted on 03/26/2013 8:27:54 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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17 posted on 03/26/2013 8:29:45 PM PDT by narses
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To: savagesusie

Amen


18 posted on 03/26/2013 9:00:00 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: markomalley

Churches can just get out of the business of handling the paperwork for the state regarding marriage. Folks can get ‘married’ at the town hall, or by some agent of the state, anywhere they wish. If they wish, they can have a religious ceremony in the faith tradition of their choice, at any time. If that ceremony has nothing to do with the State, how can the State demand anything of them, with regard to who is, or is not, allowed to have their union ‘blessed’ in any Church?


19 posted on 03/26/2013 9:01:46 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
If that ceremony has nothing to do with the State, how can the State demand anything of them

Under the present interpretation of civil rights laws, the state (usually a State, specifically, but sometimes a city, county, or other governmental unit) has the authority to coerce private organization to provide products and services, whether they wish to or not.

If they can compel (or fine, or withdraw licensing) a bakery, florist, photographer, or event venue to serve a homosexual couple, do you think the next step won't be applying coercion to a religious organization which doesn't want to perform a ceremony?

Note that these things are happening already, even where homosexual "marriage" is not recognized by law.

20 posted on 03/27/2013 2:09:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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To: svcw

Of course they won’t be successful in destroying Christ, but they certainly can corrupt the weak souls who aren’t grounded in their faith.


21 posted on 03/27/2013 4:47:38 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

And that of course is the most painful part, those who will be lost for eternity.
My brother who preaches around the world says, his biggest frustration with westernized societies and where they put God.
His theory is that because we are so self sufficient that God becomes second place, instead first where He should be.
No he is not saying we shouldn’t be who we are, but he says when you go to places where people actually struggle for clean water, food, and shelter God is first place, they must depend on Him. And he adds because God is first, their ability to preform the wonders Christ promised that we could performed in His Name would blow you away.
My heart beaks for the lost.


22 posted on 03/27/2013 7:22:17 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

Oh i can see that. It is very hard for us to “be still” and know that He is God, and allow him to do things for us. Very, very hard for professional, accomplished people, even people of great faith, to rely on Him.


23 posted on 03/27/2013 7:34:14 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Venturer

really?


24 posted on 03/27/2013 10:12:15 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: EternalVigilance

also one more — even societies that freely accepted gay partnerships like the ancient Greeks, they kept marriage reserved to man-woman


25 posted on 03/27/2013 10:13:15 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/dec/21/20051221-121224-6972r/

Yep Really.


26 posted on 03/27/2013 11:21:08 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley

If religious leaders are taking a position on this, it is not getting much publicity.


27 posted on 03/27/2013 11:26:46 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: markomalley

The Supreme Court - About to Play God Again?


28 posted on 03/27/2013 3:50:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tax-chick
If they can compel (or fine, or withdraw licensing) a bakery, florist, photographer, or event venue to serve a homosexual couple, do you think the next step won't be applying coercion to a religious organization which doesn't want to perform a ceremony?

All those are commercial concerns, and will run afoul of discrimination laws, because they are supposed to serve ALL of the public. If 'legal' marriage is removed from the purview of religion, then what happens in religious ceremonies is NOT a public action. If churches only confer a religious covenant ceremony on members of their faith traditions, then it is something that is covered under the 1st Amendment Freedom of Religion, and could be argued, Constitutionally, on that point.

So if part of the teaching of the Catholic faith is that ONLY one man and one woman can marry, then that is the only kind of ceremony that can be allowed in a Catholic Church. So a couple could receive the Sacrament of Matrimony without being 'legally' married. This might be a good thing for older folks who would like to be married, but could have a problem with how pensions or survivors' benefits are handled if one is re-married.

29 posted on 03/29/2013 8:39:01 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

The end around is through tax breaks that hang over Churches’ heads. A Church that fails to adhere to State sanctioned homosexual “marriage” will eventually be compelled to conform through some type of coercion; that will be the next step. Heck, the dust is still not settled with abortion/artificial contraception coverage where the First Amendment could be usurped. In some States adoption laws have stifled the Church already. Satan never sleeps, especially with a living Constitution and corrupt Judges everywhere.


30 posted on 03/29/2013 8:58:13 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: SuziQ
then it is something that is covered under the 1st Amendment Freedom of Religion, and could be argued, Constitutionally, on that point

You seem to imagine our government cares what the Constitution says.

31 posted on 03/30/2013 5:21:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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To: Tax-chick

The gang in the White House now, and their Congressional allies, and media lapdogs certainly don’t care about the Constitution, but unfortunately, for them, there are some in Congress, and some out here, who still do.


32 posted on 03/31/2013 11:07:24 AM PDT by SuziQ
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