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Sigh: Biden Receives Communion Again [at Dolan's Cathedral]
Creative Minority Report ^ | 3/25/2013 | Patrick Archbold

Posted on 03/26/2013 6:47:20 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Sigh: Biden Receives Communion Again

Sigh. I ask, what is the point of having a Canon 915? 

Cardinal Dolan was back at St. Patrick's Cathedral and so was Joe Biden. Look at the commentary below from the Daily News. Isn't this the very definition of scandal?


Among the faithful packing the pews was Vice President Biden along with his wife, Jill.

Biden received communion, despite his support for abortion rights.

Unlike his predecessor, Dolan does give communion to Catholics who stray from church dogma on abortion policy, saying he prefers to persuade them in discussion rather deny them the Eucharist.

Dolan and Biden had coffee after the service, though neither addressed the press.



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1 posted on 03/26/2013 6:47:20 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
People thought he was papabile?!?


2 posted on 03/26/2013 6:48:32 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Miserando atque eligendo")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“*subhead*Put Your Blurb Here.*subhead*”

Ha ha, used a Necco wafer instead of the host.


3 posted on 03/26/2013 6:51:17 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: All
Sigh. I ask, what is the point of having a Canon 915?

Among the faithful packing the pews was Vice President Biden along with his wife, Jill. Biden received communion, despite his support for abortion rights.

Unlike his predecessor, Dolan does give communion to Catholics who stray from church dogma on abortion policy, saying he prefers to persuade them in discussion rather deny them the Eucharist.

Ping for later

4 posted on 03/26/2013 7:00:34 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

One sure sign of a priest who doesn’t believe in his religion is if that priest gives communion to sloe Joe.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 7:02:07 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Alex Murphy

Ping, to save a seat next to you...I’ll get the popcorn and Milk Duds..:)


6 posted on 03/26/2013 7:02:16 AM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: Da Coyote
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Synonyms
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7 posted on 03/26/2013 7:03:01 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Miserando atque eligendo")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

It’s time for a Catholic Reformation.

REFORMATION:

1.act of reforming: the act or process of reforming somebody or something
2.reformed state: a reformed state, especially a general improvement in somebody’s behavior


9 posted on 03/26/2013 7:10:43 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

WWPD?


10 posted on 03/26/2013 7:11:08 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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The Joe Biden "In Your Face!" tour continues...

11 posted on 03/26/2013 7:11:54 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

It is litereally scandal.

It’s also a slap in the face to the faithful struggling with sin. Why bother?


12 posted on 03/26/2013 7:12:30 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

How do we know if Vice President Biden went to Confession before Communion? And why on Earth are they using cameras in church? I am certainly glad that I am not photographed at church especially when going to Communion. That is supposed to be very personal and humbling while receiving Jesus’ body and possibly blood.


13 posted on 03/26/2013 7:17:12 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Fido969; Alex Murphy; metmom; CynicalBear

The question is: why are you still struggling with sin? THAT is the question that, if answered according to God’s word, would cease to be a question. The answer is there, has been there all along, and is begging to be read and believed. Of course, you would cease to be Catholic, if you knew the answer. You would cease to be any part of any religious institution. You would be free.


14 posted on 03/26/2013 7:18:58 AM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: Alex Murphy
saying he prefers to persuade them in discussion rather deny them the Eucharist.

Murder is a sin. Abortion is murder Biden condones abortion. Biden needs to be TOLD by his “shepard” that what he believes is sin and he can not receive the body of Christ until he repents. Period! Dolan needs to read his bible more and have coffee with politicians less.

15 posted on 03/26/2013 7:20:39 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Alex Murphy

It seems to me to be narcissistic for Dolan to believe that his words would matter to a man like Biden who is so drunk on his own power that he risks his very soul to promote the culture of death while at the same time consuming our Lord for political gain.

However Dolan may believe that his words are the words of Christ and that the Eucharist itself may bring about Biden’s conversion. I cannot believe that Mr. Biden really understands the gravity of receiving the eucharist as a deliberate attempt to deceive America’s catholics into thinking abortion and catholicism can exist happily in one’s own ego. If he really understood how seriously God takes the deliberate deception of God’s people he would be on his knees begging for forgiveness.

I can understand Dolan’s position that there is personal responsibility involved in preparing one’s soul to receive the body of Christ. What is harder to understand is why given canon 915 the American church does not speak out openly about the deception it reproduces among American catholics.


16 posted on 03/26/2013 7:22:15 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

>>Dolan does give communion to Catholics who stray from church dogma on abortion policy, saying he prefers to persuade them in discussion rather deny them the Eucharist.<<

The bishop of Wilmington, DE said the same thing when he was first installed. To my knowledge, he has not backed off that cop-out and has had no meetings with “minus IQ” Biden.


17 posted on 03/26/2013 7:35:34 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I do hope the Holy Father will block some time from his anticipated dialogue with islam, to have some with Dolan.


18 posted on 03/26/2013 7:39:42 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: Da Coyote

And the Pope.


19 posted on 03/26/2013 7:42:38 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: napscoordinator

The issue is Scandal in C915. Therefore confession alone not sufficient. There needs to be public recantation of sinful act, in this case support for abortion.

Dolan should know that.


20 posted on 03/26/2013 7:48:38 AM PDT by amihow
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

The Church of What’s Happenin’ Now. When will the gay weddings begin?


21 posted on 03/26/2013 7:50:41 AM PDT by txrefugee
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New outreach to Catholics as Biden meets with Cardinal Timothy Dolan in New York

Vice president attends mass and receives communion at St. Patrick’s Cathedral

By
JAME O'SHEA,
IrishCentral Staff Writer

22 posted on 03/26/2013 7:59:06 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Miserando atque eligendo")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Biden time at St. Pat’s

Timothy Cardinal Dolan preached at home yesterday for the first time since jetting to the Vatican to help pick a new pope — and received a surprise visit from Joe Biden during the Palm Sunday services.

“We welcome the vice president of the United States, Mr. Biden, we welcome him here,” Dolan told parishioners, celebrating the start of Holy Week at St. Patrick’s Cathedral. “You have a place in our thoughts and prayers.”


23 posted on 03/26/2013 7:59:54 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Miserando atque eligendo")
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To: smvoice

So, do you sin happily or have you managed to become immaculate?


24 posted on 03/26/2013 8:05:45 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Why does anything Cardinal Dolan do surprise us? He's the one who gave the a-ok for those few churchgoing pro-union labor Catholics who were on the fence about voting for the baby killing dems when he gave the prayer at the Dem convention.

And then he followed up with words to the effect of "just wait a few weeks until after the election. Everything will be back to normal." He's either a non-believer or a fool.

25 posted on 03/26/2013 8:06:46 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: smvoice
The question is: why are you still struggling with sin? The question is: why are you still struggling with sin?

What???

26 posted on 03/26/2013 8:08:29 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Bitsy

This scandal is a good example of why I take refuge with my Rosary and occasional (when available) Latin Mass. Dolan and Biden could run naked across the Verrazano bridge together arm in arm and it wouldn’t have any relevance for me. Married to Catholic faith and beliefs, estranged from much of the rest.


27 posted on 03/26/2013 8:17:46 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: amihow

There needs to be public recantation of sinful act,

What? Catholics NEVER get up in front of people and confess their sins.


28 posted on 03/26/2013 8:18:58 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: steve86
I take refuge with my Rosary and occasional (when available) Latin Mass. [...] Married to Catholic faith and beliefs

Not to be argumentative, but the Sunday obligation is an integral part of Catholic faith and beliefs.

29 posted on 03/26/2013 8:19:43 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Not when it is a danger to your faith as the VII Mass is to me. Been there, done that, never again.


30 posted on 03/26/2013 8:23:24 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Alex Murphy

Dolan is a hypocrite and causes great scandal in the Church by giving pro-abortion politicians Holy Communion. The same thing goes for Cardinal Donald Wuerl, the archbishop of Washington DC. If these men are going to mock their Catholic faith by ignoring Canon Law they need to be kicked out of the church. As a faithful Catholic, I am sick and tired of it. They are the ones that give the Catholic Church a bad name.


31 posted on 03/26/2013 8:37:25 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: steve86
I empathize - I've offered up to the Lord the spiritual pain I've felt at some Masses. Hard as it is to find trial where I should find relief, I can't disobey my Sunday obligation.
32 posted on 03/26/2013 9:28:53 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Although uncomfortable, it sounds as though your anguish is internal and does not rise to the level of being apparent to everyone around you. I even confronted a priest in the vestibule on the way out. Really think it’s better I just stay away. Not my fault I was born just prior to the time Satan began to influence the liturgy. Mary warned us — “about 1960” — I consider the prior obligation to be null and void in the circumstances.


33 posted on 03/26/2013 9:55:24 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: old and tired

34 posted on 03/26/2013 11:04:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Miserando atque eligendo")
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To: SoothingDave; old and tired; metmom; CynicalBear
Do either one of you understand the gospel of the grace of God? Do either of you know what it is?

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me FREE from the law of sin and death." Rom. 8:2.

Do either of you understand what this means?

35 posted on 03/26/2013 1:51:07 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice

I asked you a question first.


36 posted on 03/26/2013 3:45:57 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: old and tired

Maybe he’s both, but he’s shrewd. It’s becoming clearer how His Eminence can champion the cause of Dorothy Day. She also paid lip service to the Commandments and teachings of the Church while she decried “sexual immorality” and sacrilegious communions at Catholic Worker farms but did nothing. She proclaimed publicly that she would obey if ordered by legitimate Church authorities to change her paper’s name even after she had refused to do so. Similarly, Dolan’s behavior violates Canon 915, so his praise of Day’s “prophetic disobedience” is no surprise. As Day was, His Eminence is a wearer of the “seamless garment” when it comes to life issues. Carol Byrne’s “The Catholic Worker Movement (1933-1980): A Critical Analysis” documents Day’s many deficiencies, which Cardinal Dolan shares and celebrates.

We need an Archbishop of New York who is not a “cheesehead”; who follows Canon 915; who recognizes the priority of abortion over immigration and prison issues; and who faces the fact that things are going bad in his Archdiocese, which has the dishonor of being the abortion capital of the US.


37 posted on 03/27/2013 7:09:22 AM PDT by ubipetrusest
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To: napscoordinator
How do we know if Vice President Biden went to Confession before Communion?

We don't know that. But, we do know that if he did and confessed his sin of promoting abortion and received absolution without a public repentance and penance for his public disobedience, well, we know he found a very shoddy, incompetent confessor.

38 posted on 03/27/2013 7:20:11 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: napscoordinator
What? Catholics NEVER get up in front of people and confess their sins.

You're missing the point. For a start, do some study on causing scandal to the faithful.

39 posted on 03/27/2013 7:27:41 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Da Coyote

Does that not then invalidate the sacrament since it was given with wrong intent??


40 posted on 03/27/2013 2:02:58 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Hey you! Leave the Green Bay Packers out of this. Cheese head
41 posted on 03/27/2013 4:14:44 PM PDT by BlueDragon (the beatings will continue until morale improves)
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