Posted on 02/24/2013 9:50:05 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
"Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation. Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway," the pope said.
The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with "the proper sense of paternity" that belongs to the priesthood.
The pope said it was important to select priestly candidates very carefully,
Is there anything you don’t know? (Rhetorical question, don’t answer. I won’t be back to your hate festival.)
Playing with another dude’s genitals is a sin? Gee who would of thought so?
I agree. This thread seems to be nothing more than an opportunity for some good old catholic bashing. Pedophilia exists in all corners of society... married men are just as likely to be pedophile sodomists as unmarried men... Jerry Sandusky anyone?
Celibacy benefits the priesthood because it requires that the priest give his whole life for the church.. It is difficult to serve both a wife and family as well as the people of a parish where being their shepherd involves much more than just saying mass.
Sexual abuse of children is a horrible and evil thing and no institution has been immune. Anger toward the perpetrators and the church is understandable but to blame celibacy is misguided. The answer is not to allow for less self control amoungst priests...but exactly the opposite. The church must be very careful who is allowed into the seminary even when faced with the perception of dwindling vocations.
God has blessedly granted us free will and this includes the freedom of religion. No adult is forced to embrace or practice catholicism, but to those who chose not be be Catholic the decisions of Rome are no longer your concern.
I’m always struck by the “hey, we’re no worse than the Boy Scouts, teachers, or Protestants,” argument. The only appropriate response to sin is repentance, not excuses. .
Amen!!!
Also, I have noted that when a priest is accused of sexual misconduct with a child, other priest conduct the investigation, and they take years to do that. But in non-catholic churches, the police are called in straight away.
I think there are too many out there that want the Catholic Church to grovel forever over past sex scandal issues within the priesthood. Many use these issues for their own nefarious reasons, Catholic bashing, general religion hatred, atheists as a cause to manipulate for their own secularist gains, etc.
It’s the same as the guilt trippers who use the black slavery issue as a cudgel to call all who disagree with their political agenda “racists”. I personally am sick of it, and highly recommend that in both cases stated here, those with axes to grind stop beating a dead horse. Leave it alone.
I’m sorry for your pain, but by leaving the Church, you have denied yourself the Body of Christ and the Sacrament of Reconciliation. How do you expect to heal?
Do you have the numbers for that?
Aye yi yi, these people are acting like liberals in American politics they seem to think the pope and Ratzinger, himself are some sort of gods who could have foreseen what happened in a church of one BILLION people.
Satan is attacking and it is easier for many to just leave rather than fight back with prayer and sacrifice. To blame all this evil on the Church is to blame it on God. We know that God does not allow any evil that won’t bring about greater glory and we know that the gates of hell do not have a chance of defeating the church but the battle is real and the harvest is large and there is little time.
Pray for these people.
Thanks for your kind question.
Simply separating myself from all lisping limp-wrists in Roman collars has me feeling much better already.
He did, but not in the way you want it answered. The Church already has the answer: gay men cannot be priests.
That, and also celibate clergy shows to the young people that meaningful life does not revolve around sexual urges, hard as they may be to suppress.
Very obviously, celibacy is the problem. It leads to (not might lead to, as Benedict states above)...
‘Passing the trash’
Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”
Very obviously, celibacy is the problem. It leads to (not might lead to, as Benedict states above)...
‘Passing the trash’
Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”
Where do you see such argument made? In my #10 I point out the fallacy that celibacy is the cause of minor abuse, but I do not excuse the pederasts priests guilty of it, -- far from it.
“Biblical Christianity is incompatible with the priesthood but that’s a whole different and more fundamental issue.”
Wrong. Clearly, factually wrong.
If only Penn State had permitted their football coaches to marry, the Sandusky thing never would have happened.
Yeah, right.
This poorly disguised vicious and wrong headed erroneous attack on the Church belongs in the Smokey Back Room, not the Religion Forum.
Millions of teachers, just regular random people of the vast general public, atheists, witches, Catholics, Baptists, lesbians, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Scientologists, transgenders, union/nonunion, agnostics, satanists, junkies, or teetotalers whatever plain old humans can be.
I would never have thought to have the same level of expectations of Roman Catholic Priests and people who work as teachers, in regards to child molesting and sexual perversions, but I see that a lot of Catholics here at FR do.
Ok, we all understand that gay men aren't supposed to be ordained.
But they have been and are being ordained, right?
So, we have a systemic problem. The institution is not capable of carrying out the orders so obviously necessary to its own survival, as the larger interest is being subverted by entrenched Church bureaucrats with powerful vested interests.
What to do?
BXVI's solution seems to be to simply re-state the rule and then sit back and wait for the order to be executed by a subversively unwilling executive body.
Clearly, that can't work. It can't work because the entrenched Lavender Mafia won't let it work.
Are you with me so far?
So, if the currently entrenched interests will not exclude all homosexuals from the ranks of the clergy, then it's quite obvious that these same ranks must be purged. IOW, the Lavender Mafia will not reform the Church by purging themselves from all positions of power in the Church. How to purge them?
As Stalin said, "the cadres determine everything." That means that if you want a new policy (like "Socialism in One Country" instead of "World Revolution") that the Trotskyite Old Guard resists, then purge the Old Guard by replacing them with a New Guard that agrees with your new policy. It's the same for the Church. If you don't want the homo-heretical policies of the Old Guard, then you must purge them and replace them with the hetero-orthodox New Guard.
It's not a terribly nice example, but it illustrates the problem. BXVI can repeat the order to bar gays from ordination until he's blue in the face, but the order won't be implemented until he replaces this responsible for implementing it.
This is what the Church will have to do if it wants to survive - i.e. remove every homosexual, whether active or not, from the ranks of the clergy, and replace them with heterosexual men.
The only way to do that is to end priestly celibacy.
It's all rather obvious.
Why the resistance?
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