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Homosexuality Incompatible With Priesthood
Catholic News Service ^ | 11-24-2010 | John Travis

Posted on 02/24/2013 9:50:05 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus

"Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation. Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway," the pope said.

The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with "the proper sense of paternity" that belongs to the priesthood.

The pope said it was important to select priestly candidates very carefully,


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To: Gluteus Maximus

Ratzinger is up to his eyes in this scandal. He’s not in denial about it, he’s actively working to obstruct justice.


2 posted on 02/24/2013 10:00:44 AM PST by babble-on
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To: babble-on
Ratzinger is up to his eyes in this scandal. He’s not in denial about it, he’s actively working to obstruct justice.

Yeah, you're probably right. He's almost certainly gay, at least in orientation. I'm not saying that he ever acted on his impulses, but he pretty clearly has or had them. The omnipresent Gorgeous George (his personal attendant) and the red Prada shoes are emblematic.

3 posted on 02/24/2013 10:03:19 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Geez...it’s a mortal sin that’s willfull....

No kidding it’s not compatible....


4 posted on 02/24/2013 10:09:10 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Gluteus Maximus
Homosexuality Incompatible With Priesthood,

But It is Compatible With Seminaries

5 posted on 02/24/2013 10:09:09 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Marchione.)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Biblical Christianity is incompatible with the priesthood but that’s a whole different and more fundamental issue.


6 posted on 02/24/2013 10:10:48 AM PST by DungeonMaster (How does God feel about gay marriage?)
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To: Gluteus Maximus
Statement: "Homosexuality Incompatible With Priesthood"

Response: Perhaps the Roman church is starting to learn that fact! As that church is an integral part of Western Civilization its Reform and the provision of vigorous leadership in suppressing that vice would be of great help in initiating the West's Silver Age.

7 posted on 02/24/2013 10:11:23 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

It makes me furious as well.
We must separate these vile contemptible priests from the Church. They are enemies of the Church and compassion was not the solution. Forgiveness for their sins was not the magisterium’s to give without proper penitence, reparation for transgressions and submission to the penalties of civil law.
Come back to the Church brother, we need you!


8 posted on 02/24/2013 10:13:50 AM PST by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

and officially starting in 2001, and unofficially before that, he was the Vatican’s point man in charge of investigating [errr, covering up] the abuse and molestation


9 posted on 02/24/2013 10:14:23 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Gluteus Maximus; narses; NYer
Very obviously, celibacy is the problem

The rate of abuse in the Catholic Church was not higher than in the public schools, boy scouts or religious institutions that are not Roman-Catholic, even when the abuse in the Roman Catholic Church was at its height in the 1980's.

Yet only the Roman Catholic priests are for the most part celibate. So how does celibacy have anything to do with it?

10 posted on 02/24/2013 10:15:31 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Gluteus Maximus
Article in full.

Pope, in book, says homosexuality incompatible with priesthood

By John Thavis
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- In his new book, Pope Benedict XVI strongly reaffirmed church teaching that homosexual acts are "disordered" and said homosexuality itself is "incompatible" with the priesthood.

The pope's comments came in his new book-interview, "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times," which was published Nov. 23.

The interviewer, German journalist Peter Seewald, asked the pope whether the church's teaching that homosexuals deserve respect isn't contradicted by its position that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered."

The pope answered: "No. It is one thing to say that they are human beings with their problems and their joys, that as human beings they deserve respect, even though they have this inclination, and must not be discriminated against because of it."

"At the same time, though, sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual," he said. "The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman and, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future."

The pope said the church needs to hold firm on this point, "even if it is not pleasing to our age."

He said it was still an open question whether homosexual inclinations are innate or arise early in life. In any case, he said, if these are strong inclinations, it represents "a great trial" for the homosexual.

"But this does not mean that homosexuality thereby becomes morally right. Rather, it remains contrary to the essence of what God originally willed," he said.

When Seewald said that homosexuality exists in monasteries and among the clergy, even if not acted out, the pope responded: "Well, that is just one of the miseries of the church. And the persons who are affected must at least try not to express this inclination actively."

"Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation. Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway," the pope said.

The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with "the proper sense of paternity" that belongs to the priesthood.

The pope said it was important to select priestly candidates very carefully, "to head off a situation where the celibacy of priests would practically end up being identified with the tendency to homosexuality."


11 posted on 02/24/2013 10:18:49 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

WOW! All but one of these responses reek off anti-Catholicism. The first one is understandable since he has first hand experience within his family of harm done. The others are just off the wall.

I will stay away from this thread. I am surprised it hasn’t been yanked yet. Maybe it is here to allow bigots to rant their heads off.

For what it’s worth, IMHO, Both Pope JPII and BXVI are great men of tremendous spirituality and love of God. Neither deserves such nasty accusations. The accusers ought to look inward at their own consciences if they think they are perfect. I have news for you. you aren’t perfect.

Bye, bye.


12 posted on 02/24/2013 10:20:36 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: DungeonMaster
Biblical Christianity is incompatible with the priesthood

Counter-scriptural nonsense advanced by people not terribly familiar with the New Testament.

13 posted on 02/24/2013 10:21:25 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Gumdrop

Gumdrop, I’m with you. “Reeks” is a great verb here. As in ‘reeks of the Pit.’


14 posted on 02/24/2013 10:27:51 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: annalex
So how does celibacy have anything to do with it?

Did you read the post? Benedict XVI answered your question.

"[i]t would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into priesthood who don't want to get married anyway."

He said this is 2010, after the Church was all but completely destroyed, for Pete's sake. The depths of the denial of reality here are difficult to fathom. Celibacy MIGHT become a pretext for gays to swamp the seminaries and worm their way into the hierarchy? That MIGHT happen some day?

Don't you get it? We have a GAY CLERGY. We have a Lavender Mafia (and BXVI might be the head of it, although I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt). And the reason that we have a Lavender Mafia running the Church is that in the context of an industrialized society healthy and ambitious young men have lots of other career choices aside from the military, the Royal Bureaucracy, and the Church. This has been obvious for the past 70 years at least. Normal young men would prefer to go to graduate school and get married and have a family than live a life of self-denial in the priesthood. So, the number of vocations began to dry up, the seminaries with a wink-and-a-nudge began letting gays in to fill the gap. These gay men were ordained and then formed a network based on their common interests. They promoted each other. They protected each other. They subverted the healthy men who were willing to make the sacrifice of celibacy. They began to turn straight men away from the seminaries they controlled. As they gained power, they made sure that only their folks were in positions of power over other priests.

Bernadine. Weakland. The list goes on. These men perverted the seminaries, promoted the psychologically sick and protected the sexually criminal.

None of this would have happened if normal men had not been forced to choose between marriage and a nice career (open in modern society to nearly any young man intelligent enough to become a priest), as the homosexuals would have been prevented from taking over the commanding heights of the Church's earthly structure.

The only way to rid ourselves of this Lavender Mafia is to REQUIRE all new ordinations be granted EXCLUSIVELY to married men, as our Orthodox brothers require for parish priests.

If the Church would just do that, the priestly ranks would be swamped with healthy family men who would drive the Lavender Mafia into the ground. The Lavender Mafia knows this, which is why they like the celibacy rule so much and are willing to defend it at all costs. It's not that they believe in celibacy for themselves. They do believe in celibacy for heterosexuals, as a way to keep them out of the ranks of the clergy, which will ensure their continued power over us.

I mean, isn't this all obvious? Why can't we just admit this?

15 posted on 02/24/2013 10:34:13 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Ouchthatonehurt
Come back to the Church brother, we need you!

You're very kind.

I'd love to return to the Church, but I can't. Not until there's something approaching real repentance. And we'll have that only when they get rid of the celibacy rule.

16 posted on 02/24/2013 10:39:44 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus

“I’m struck dumb by the magnitude of this man’s denial.”

Strange, that’s exactly what I was thinking about you.


17 posted on 02/24/2013 10:47:59 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Gluteus Maximus

You’re right about the subculture of homoeroticism and homosexuality that sadly exists in part of the Church and its seminaries, but it wasn’t always there.

In the old days, when you went to a seminary, it was drilled into the men who went there that you were to repress your sexuality. But as the 20th Century unfolded, this sickening corruption in the Church grew in influence.

I’m sorry to hear that your loved ones were victimized by perverts masquerading in the cloth, but Benedict XVI has made steps to rooting out the homosexual influence in the seminaries and elsewhere.

Obviously it’s too late for many, but there are now guidelines back in place to cull perverts.


18 posted on 02/24/2013 10:49:17 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: Gluteus Maximus
Homosexuality Incompatible With Priesthood

D'OH!!

19 posted on 02/24/2013 10:49:55 AM PST by publius911 (Look for the Unin label, then buy something else.)
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To: Shadow44
I’m sorry to hear that your loved ones were victimized by perverts masquerading in the cloth, but Benedict XVI has made steps to rooting out the homosexual influence in the seminaries and elsewhere.

Thank you for your condolences.

The only "step" that has any hope of working is to require all new ordinations go exclusively to married men who are otherwise healthy. Only this can succeed in overrunning the entrenched Lavender Mafia and ousting them forever from power over the faithful.

Obviously it’s too late for many, but there are now guidelines back in place to cull perverts.

Far too little, far too late.

End the celibacy rule. It's the only way.

20 posted on 02/24/2013 10:56:36 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Is there anything you don’t know? (Rhetorical question, don’t answer. I won’t be back to your hate festival.)


21 posted on 02/24/2013 10:59:03 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Playing with another dude’s genitals is a sin? Gee who would of thought so?


22 posted on 02/24/2013 11:00:06 AM PST by MNDude (Guns don't kill people, Democrats kill people)
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To: annalex

I agree. This thread seems to be nothing more than an opportunity for some good old catholic bashing. Pedophilia exists in all corners of society... married men are just as likely to be pedophile sodomists as unmarried men... Jerry Sandusky anyone?

Celibacy benefits the priesthood because it requires that the priest give his whole life for the church.. It is difficult to serve both a wife and family as well as the people of a parish where being their shepherd involves much more than just saying mass.

Sexual abuse of children is a horrible and evil thing and no institution has been immune. Anger toward the perpetrators and the church is understandable but to blame celibacy is misguided. The answer is not to allow for less self control amoungst priests...but exactly the opposite. The church must be very careful who is allowed into the seminary even when faced with the perception of dwindling vocations.

God has blessedly granted us free will and this includes the freedom of religion. No adult is forced to embrace or practice catholicism, but to those who chose not be be Catholic the decisions of Rome are no longer your concern.


23 posted on 02/24/2013 11:30:12 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

I’m always struck by the “hey, we’re no worse than the Boy Scouts, teachers, or Protestants,” argument. The only appropriate response to sin is repentance, not excuses. .


24 posted on 02/24/2013 11:38:57 AM PST by bethelgrad
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To: bethelgrad
I’m always struck by the “hey, we’re no worse than the Boy Scouts, teachers, or Protestants,” argument. The only appropriate response to sin is repentance, not excuses.

Amen!!!

25 posted on 02/24/2013 11:43:29 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus
It is my understanding the the church of Rome instituted celibacy around the year 600 so that when a priest died his property would transfer to the church and not to his spouse. Perhaps if the Vatican could come up with a plan to address that they might allow marriages again.

Also, I have noted that when a priest is accused of sexual misconduct with a child, other priest conduct the investigation, and they take years to do that. But in non-catholic churches, the police are called in straight away.

26 posted on 02/24/2013 11:54:52 AM PST by patriotUSA (Thank you Jesus.)
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To: bethelgrad

I think there are too many out there that want the Catholic Church to grovel forever over past sex scandal issues within the priesthood. Many use these issues for their own nefarious reasons, Catholic bashing, general religion hatred, atheists as a cause to manipulate for their own secularist gains, etc.

It’s the same as the guilt trippers who use the black slavery issue as a cudgel to call all who disagree with their political agenda “racists”. I personally am sick of it, and highly recommend that in both cases stated here, those with axes to grind stop beating a dead horse. Leave it alone.


27 posted on 02/24/2013 11:59:09 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

I’m sorry for your pain, but by leaving the Church, you have denied yourself the Body of Christ and the Sacrament of Reconciliation. How do you expect to heal?


28 posted on 02/24/2013 11:59:46 AM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: longfellowsmuse
married men are just as likely to be pedophile sodomists as unmarried men

Do you have the numbers for that?

29 posted on 02/24/2013 12:06:38 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Gumdrop

Aye yi yi, these people are acting like liberals in American politics they seem to think the pope and Ratzinger, himself are some sort of gods who could have foreseen what happened in a church of one BILLION people.

Satan is attacking and it is easier for many to just leave rather than fight back with prayer and sacrifice. To blame all this evil on the Church is to blame it on God. We know that God does not allow any evil that won’t bring about greater glory and we know that the gates of hell do not have a chance of defeating the church but the battle is real and the harvest is large and there is little time.

Pray for these people.


30 posted on 02/24/2013 12:08:26 PM PST by tiki
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To: mlizzy
How do you expect to heal?

Thanks for your kind question.

Simply separating myself from all lisping limp-wrists in Roman collars has me feeling much better already.

31 posted on 02/24/2013 12:11:28 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus
Benedict XVI answered your question.

He did, but not in the way you want it answered. The Church already has the answer: gay men cannot be priests.

32 posted on 02/24/2013 12:30:45 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: longfellowsmuse
Celibacy benefits the priesthood because it requires that the priest give his whole life for the church

That, and also celibate clergy shows to the young people that meaningful life does not revolve around sexual urges, hard as they may be to suppress.

33 posted on 02/24/2013 12:33:23 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Gluteus Maximus; navymom1; Pat4ever; RIghtwardHo; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; ..
Gluteus Maximus wrote:
Very obviously, celibacy is the problem. It leads to (not might lead to, as Benedict states above)...

‘Passing the trash’


Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.


34 posted on 02/24/2013 12:42:27 PM PST by narses
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To: Gluteus Maximus; navymom1; Pat4ever; RIghtwardHo; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; ..
Gluteus Maximus wrote:
Very obviously, celibacy is the problem. It leads to (not might lead to, as Benedict states above)...

‘Passing the trash’


Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.


35 posted on 02/24/2013 12:43:24 PM PST by narses
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To: bethelgrad
I’m always struck by the “hey, we’re no worse than the Boy Scouts, teachers, or Protestants,” argument.

Where do you see such argument made? In my #10 I point out the fallacy that celibacy is the cause of minor abuse, but I do not excuse the pederasts priests guilty of it, -- far from it.

36 posted on 02/24/2013 12:49:06 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: DungeonMaster

“Biblical Christianity is incompatible with the priesthood but that’s a whole different and more fundamental issue.”

Wrong. Clearly, factually wrong.


37 posted on 02/24/2013 12:56:20 PM PST by narses
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To: Gluteus Maximus; Religion Moderator
isn't this all obvious? Why can't we just admit this?

If only Penn State had permitted their football coaches to marry, the Sandusky thing never would have happened.

Yeah, right.

This poorly disguised vicious and wrong headed erroneous attack on the Church belongs in the Smokey Back Room, not the Religion Forum.

38 posted on 02/24/2013 1:09:09 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: bethelgrad

Millions of teachers, just regular random people of the vast general public, atheists, witches, Catholics, Baptists, lesbians, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Scientologists, transgenders, union/nonunion, agnostics, satanists, junkies, or teetotalers whatever plain old humans can be.

I would never have thought to have the same level of expectations of Roman Catholic Priests and people who work as teachers, in regards to child molesting and sexual perversions, but I see that a lot of Catholics here at FR do.


39 posted on 02/24/2013 1:10:48 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: annalex
He did, but not in the way you want it answered. The Church already has the answer: gay men cannot be priests

Ok, we all understand that gay men aren't supposed to be ordained.

But they have been and are being ordained, right?

So, we have a systemic problem. The institution is not capable of carrying out the orders so obviously necessary to its own survival, as the larger interest is being subverted by entrenched Church bureaucrats with powerful vested interests.

What to do?

BXVI's solution seems to be to simply re-state the rule and then sit back and wait for the order to be executed by a subversively unwilling executive body.

Clearly, that can't work. It can't work because the entrenched Lavender Mafia won't let it work.

Are you with me so far?

So, if the currently entrenched interests will not exclude all homosexuals from the ranks of the clergy, then it's quite obvious that these same ranks must be purged. IOW, the Lavender Mafia will not reform the Church by purging themselves from all positions of power in the Church. How to purge them?

As Stalin said, "the cadres determine everything." That means that if you want a new policy (like "Socialism in One Country" instead of "World Revolution") that the Trotskyite Old Guard resists, then purge the Old Guard by replacing them with a New Guard that agrees with your new policy. It's the same for the Church. If you don't want the homo-heretical policies of the Old Guard, then you must purge them and replace them with the hetero-orthodox New Guard.

It's not a terribly nice example, but it illustrates the problem. BXVI can repeat the order to bar gays from ordination until he's blue in the face, but the order won't be implemented until he replaces this responsible for implementing it.

This is what the Church will have to do if it wants to survive - i.e. remove every homosexual, whether active or not, from the ranks of the clergy, and replace them with heterosexual men.

The only way to do that is to end priestly celibacy.

It's all rather obvious.

Why the resistance?

40 posted on 02/24/2013 1:12:07 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus

“The only way to do that is to end priestly celibacy.”

Wrong.


41 posted on 02/24/2013 1:14:40 PM PST by narses
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To: narses
Wrong

Please explain. How else can the order to remove all gays from the ranks of the clergy be implemented in reality. Who will carry out that order? The hierarchy as it is now constituted?

If the hierarchy would reform itself by removing all gays from the priesthood it would have done so long ago. But obviously it cannot, for the simple reason that it is riddled with homosexual men who have a powerful, vested interest to resist any change along those lines.

So, I ask again, how will the order actually be executed?

42 posted on 02/24/2013 1:18:07 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus
Simply separating myself from all lisping limp-wrists in Roman collars has me feeling much better already.
A snippet from our parish's bulletin today about a priest who greatly affected our parish priest decades ago when they were both young men:
And then I heard Fr. Powell. As I listened to his tape that night I was thunderstruck, awestruck. I was like a bobby-soxer listening to Frank Sanatra. I had never heard any priest preach or teach like this before. He was human. He was funny. He was insightful... And that night he became my model on how I wanted to preach and teach...

As the years went by we lost contact. He got older, retired from teaching at Loyola and disappeared from the scene. Then one day several years ago, shortly before he died I read that he was accused of sexually abusing a number of co-eds at the university. Were I a young man I would have been crestfallen but having been around this terrible block of priestly abuse for the last 20 years, I was simply heartbroken and terribly saddened. But I am afraid, not surprised.

In Jesus's strongest terms he condemns those who scandalize the little ones. The Greek word skandalon means stumbling block. What a stumbling block and wounding agent he must have been to these young ones under his charge. Spiritual-sexual wounds are almost incurable. And my heart sank for his victims. And I prayed for their healing. But my heart also saddened for him, a clay pot, and earthen vessel, terribly flawed and yet a messenger from God... a fallen angel.

We're in the Holy Season of Lent. It is the time when we are called to do what is hard and what we would rather not do. What is most hard is to carry the cross, to bear the pain, to bear the pain of the victims, to bear the weakness and sinfulness of the perpetrators, to bear the suffering of humanity. Oh, how simple life would be if it was just black or white, good or bad. It's just not. And so we carry the treasure in an earthen vessel. And for now, on this side of eternity, that has to be enough.

In Jesus, Who Became and Bore Our Sin,
Fr. Tony

43 posted on 02/24/2013 1:18:13 PM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

You walked away. It is not your problem, and your wrongheaded and frankly angry, even hatefilled screeds are not either helpful nor based on fact.

You insist you are the only arbiter and yet, with all due respect, you are nothing of the sort.

Get help. My prayers are with you.


44 posted on 02/24/2013 1:21:30 PM PST by narses
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To: mlizzy
Thanks for posting that.

That position seems to presume a limitless loyalty to the hierarchy. I do not have limitless loyalty to anything or anybody, except Christ Himself.

Let's suppose you have a close relative who molested a bunch of children. You were shocked to learn that your brother was actually a monster.

Would you stick by him, no matter what?

I wouldn't. As St. Paul wrote, I'd turn his body over to Satan so that his soul might be saved.

It's the same for the homosexuals infesting the priesthood.

45 posted on 02/24/2013 1:25:32 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: babble-on

False


46 posted on 02/24/2013 1:28:33 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: narses
You walked away. It is not your problem, and your wrongheaded and frankly angry, even hatefilled screeds are not either helpful nor based on fact. You insist you are the only arbiter and yet, with all due respect, you are nothing of the sort. Get help. My prayers are with you.

Anything except address the question, right?

You don't have an answer to my inexorable logic, so you resort to some smarmy emotionalizing.

Get help? How about you break out of your delusional denial and start dealing with the reality of the situation?

47 posted on 02/24/2013 1:29:13 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: bunkerhill7
I don't think you people are familiar with how Pope Benedict XVI cleaned out the seminaries. It started with Pope John Paul II. In my opinion, it is disgraceful to post these statements without verification.

A seminarian must now take a two day psyche exam, have multiple references, undergo days and days of interviews before he is approved for the seminary. Here are the FR links:

Spanish Olympic athlete to enter seminary after London games
Fr. Robert Barron to head Mundelein Seminary
Fr. [Robert] Barron Appointed Rector of Mundelein Seminary
Rise in US Seminary Numbers Brings 'Big Smile' to Pope's Face
U.S. seminary confronts abortion mill head-on through weekly prayer invasion
Traditional Catholicism Is Winning

Atlantis rises: US seminaries are changing
VIETNAM-More Than 1500 Seminarians and 80,000 Young Catechists: The Church's Future Looks Bright
The Logos in Seminary Formation and Teaching [Catholic Caucus]
Boom Time for Westminster Seminaries [UK]
Young Catholics Hear Call to Serve
US Dominican Province Welcomes Its Biggest Class of Novices in Decades
Of priests and possible priests to be
More twins (enter priesthood)
Cardinal Arinze - "Youth will embrace religious life with right role models"
Today's seminarians reflect growing trend
Number of Seminarians Increases - Please Decipher This!!!!
In Seminaries, New Ways for a New Generation
Seminary Springtime: Father Darrin Connall s Big Success
EVIDENCE GROWS OF DIRECT DISOBEDIENCE TO VATICAN IN MAJOR AMERICAN SEMINARIES
Pope to Church: Risky Seminarians Must Go
Priests Down, Seminarians Up
U.S. Priests and seminarians survey: more vocations in orthodox dioceses
Vatican Announces Surge in Seminaries during JPII Pontificate

Seminary Reform Needed in Wake of Sex Abuse Study ["the crisis in the Church is ... homosexuality"]
Homosexuals in seminaries? The latest.....
Priests 'In Orgy' at Seminary
Bishop urges gay ban in clergy; presses for overhaul in screening priests
A New Breed of Priest
AUSTRIAN SEMINARY SHUT DOWN FOR PROBE
Seminarians Show Support For Celibacy
556 Reasons for Hope [Seminarians Support Celibacy]
No Shortage of Vocations From Conservative Parishes
Oakland seminary housing sex offender priests
Phoenix bishop to helm Priestly Formation Committee [of USCCB]
Vatican Firms up Plans for U.S. Seminary Visitation in 2005
SIBLING VOCATIONS - Early calls led two sisters to same religious order
On the admission of homosexuals to seminaries
Catholic priests demand the right to marry
New Start For Austrian Seminary
Disciples of Pope John Paul (Faculty of Gregorian University Gripe About Piety of New Seminarians)
New Priests in U.S.: Older, and More >From Abroad (Survey Tracks Trends Since 1998)
U.S. seminarians welcome Pope Benedict XVI
Vatican review of seminaries to raise issue of gay priests

Some Decry Retirement Despite Priest Shortage
The Priesthood Ordination Class of 2005 “People would be surprised to know that I…”
(Catholic) Seminarians Double In 25 Years
Pope's death inspires would-be priests
Changes Add Up for Priesthood
Irish Bishops Apologize to Seminary Whistle-Blower
SIGNAL CALLING - UB quarterback foregoes family and career to train for priesthood in Rome
Pop Culture Heros Help Recruit Priests
Small Bible-belt (Catholic) diocese sees increase in seminarians
Dashing young priests turn heads at Youth Day
Vatican to Start U.S. Seminary Evaluations
Apostolic Seminary Visitation To Begin This Fall
U.S. Bishops to Begin Inspecting Seminaries
Prelate Says Gays Shouldn't Be Ordained
American overseeing Vatican evaluation of US seminaries says gays should not be ordained
Vatican to Check U.S. Seminaries on Gay Presence
POPE APPROVES BARRING GAY SEMINARIANS
Pope bans homosexuals from ordination as priests
Questions Arise Over Seminary Inspections
New Vatican Rule Said to Bar Gays as New Priests

New Vatican Rule Said to Bar Gays as New Priests (ABOUT TIME)
VATICAN: HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT TO BE ORDAINED AS CATHOLIC PRIESTS
Homosexuals in the seminary; A Global Church in a Globalized World
Gay Men Ponder Impact of (Anti-Gay Clergy)Proposal by Vatican(Barf Alert)
Aquinas Seminary is First for Scrutiny
Vatican Begins Inspections At St. Louis Seminary (Rector: No homosexuality-pedophilia link)
The Sins of the Seminaries
Notre Dame Experts React to Potential Seminary Rules
Seminary Reviews Not Just About Homosexuality, Says Prelate
Jesuit Official Rips Expected Ban on Gays

Jesuit Official Rips Expected Ban on Gays
Jesuit official protesting expected Vatican ban on gay priests
A Catholic Moment of Truth
Gay Catholics Angry Over Seminary Searches
New Rules Affirm Pope Benedict's Stance Against Gays
New Report on Vatican Gay Priests Document Said to be Gay Lobby “Rumor Mill”
Gay men can be priests if celibate
Gay men can be Catholic priests if celibate-paper
No ban on gays expected in Vatican document; will advise 'prudential judgement'
African Cardinal Views the Vocation Shortage - With Full Seminaries, Ghana Shares Its Wealth

Keep the Ban
Today's seminarians: The Vatican survey
Lincoln diocese boasts highest number of priests to Catholics
Vatican Document on homosexuals in seminaries will be published tomorrow
Married Priests Aren’t the Answer (a seminarian states his view)
Vatican document restricts gays in priesthood: paper
Barring gays from priesthood not discrimination, say Italian bishops
Roman Women are Converts to Convents
Heads Up!! Zero Hour is 9am on December 29
Why I Thank God I Couldn’t Be A Priest
A look inside the Denver seminaries
Ordination Challenges: Out of the Seminary, Into the Fire
Vatican teams checking seminary effectiveness (in all, 229 US seminaries to be reviewed)
Seminaries Are Overflowing in Socialist Vietnam
Seminaries Full in Southern India (despite new anti-conversion law)
Ordination Class of 2006 - New Catholic Priests include twins, converts and some surprises
Twin ordinands, youngest of 13, credit parents for priestly vocations
Eleven new priests for Denver, largest ordination class in 40 years
Religious vocations can come from anyplace
Coordinator of U.S. seminary visitations expects report this fall

48 posted on 02/24/2013 1:33:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Celibacy has nothing to do with the abuse of children. Don’t you get it — it’s homosexuality.


49 posted on 02/24/2013 1:36:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gluteus Maximus
BXVI can repeat the order to bar gays from ordination until he's blue in the face, but the order won't be implemented until he replaces [those] responsible for implementing it.

True, merely re-stating the ban on gay clergy is not enough; a Holy Inquisition is needed to examine the conduct and beliefs of existing clergy. I agree that this part: the actual purging, especially in the seminaries, should be done more forcefully. However, some of it has been done and, I am confident will continue to be done, in the new pontificate.

I disagree on the conclusion that married clergy is the answer. It clearly hasn't helped the boy scouts, the public schools or the sports. It would mean capitulating a centuries-old tradition of the Latin Church, precisely at the time when the flock needs more than ever to learn sexual continence.

I also don't appreciate your tone, sir. You post excerpts from an old article while the rules do not prohibit reproducing the article in full. You attach to it your own rant, about how you left the Church, which properly belongs among Blogger and Vanity section. You then pepper your post with baseless insinuations about the Holy Father. You left the Church? Good riddance. It is faithless ignorant trash such as yourself that is the bigger problem in the Church than all the pederasts combined. Deal with your childhood memories privately, please. If you want to come back, do not think you can do so by suggesting how our Holy Church can be reformed, but rather in penance and obedience to the Church as she is; if you don't want to come back, why should we waste time conversing with you? We have more important enemies than your confused and messed up person.

50 posted on 02/24/2013 1:39:21 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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