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Anglicans Swimming the Tiber, a One-Year Report
Terry Mattingly on Religion ^ | 2/13/13 | Terry Mattingly

Posted on 02/15/2013 5:58:14 AM PST by marshmallow

It’s natural for any employee to want to know just how committed the big boss is to the company’s future and, especially, to the expansion project that includes his job.

So, even though Pope Benedict XVI didn’t make it to America in person, Father Jason Catania still appreciated the message he sent to the former Episcopal priests and others who swam the Tiber to Rome after the pontiff’s controversial “Anglicanorum Coetibus (“groups of Anglicans”) pronouncement in 2009.

“We didn’t just wake up one morning last year and said, ‘Why don’t we join the Catholic Church?’ Many of us have made personal and financial sacrifices over the years to do this,” said Catania, who leads Mount Calvary Church in Baltimore. This was the first American parish that voted to enter one of the new “personal ordinariates” — the equivalent of nationwide dioceses — that would allow Anglicans to retain key elements of their liturgy, music, art and other traditions, such as married priests.

“We were very intentional and took many steps toward Rome on this journey,” he said. “Now we’re starting to see the results of the Vatican’s strategic step toward us.”

Clergy and supporters of the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter gathered at its home base in Houston last week to mark the first anniversary of this outreach effort in America. Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller, the new leader of the Vatican’s powerful Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, offered his share of theological commentary on this project, but made it clear that his main message was personal.

(Excerpt) Read more at patheos.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: willconvertforfood
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1 posted on 02/15/2013 5:58:18 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow; Alex Murphy

In other news...

Many formerly trapped Catholics are being rescued by Christ and escaping the chains of Rome. As their eyes are being opened, they are realizing that their salvation was granted by grace alone, through faith, and that not of themselves...it was a gift of God, not of works the way they were taught to boast by Rome and its sacerdotalism, indulgences, mariolatry, rosaries, sacraments, rituals, etc.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 6:04:44 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Matthew 16:18

CC

3 posted on 02/15/2013 6:16:25 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: Dutchboy88

Here we go again.....

We don’t stand a chance against Islam when Christians spend so much time cutting each others’ throats in interdenominational fratricide.


4 posted on 02/15/2013 6:25:05 AM PST by AbnSarge
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To: Dutchboy88
They're lost. Lost on an ocean of subjectivism and individualism where "truth" means whatever they decide it to mean. They're submerged in a sea of confusion where Pastor A and Minister B make it up out of whole cloth, all the while selling the snake oil of presumed "salvation", while ignoring the words of Jesus that it is not those who say "Lord, Lord" who will inherit the kingdom of heaven but those who "do the will of My Father". They're blinded to the importance of the parable of the Good Samaritan and they're taught to believe that the Last Judgment will be a mere formality, when Jesus himself tells us that he will judge us on our works......."for I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in...."

They're taught that all that's necessary is faith when Scripture tells us explicitly that there is something greater than faith and that something is love which shows itself in works, which is precisely why James tells us that faith without works is useless. They're taught to ignore the importance of the cross and suffering when Jesus says definitively that anyone who would be his follower must take up that cross and carry it. A work, in other words.

They swallow latter-day American heresy, Rapture-shmature, the "prosperity gospel", ticket-punch salvation where all that's necessary is to maintain a gut-feeling that "I'm saved" and it's a done deal. Insta-salvation, drive through salvation, fast-food salvation.

Blind fools. Blind, presumptuous fools.

5 posted on 02/15/2013 6:32:23 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow

The little dutch boy is trying to hold his finger in the dike.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 6:47:47 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: AbnSarge

Yes but Catholicism is right and everything else is either wrong or only partially right. As a result, there will be no compromise of doctrine. The Catholic Church is, after all. the church that Christ founded.


8 posted on 02/15/2013 6:59:47 AM PST by impimp
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To: Dutchboy88
Many formerly trapped Catholics are being rescued by Christ and escaping the chains of Rome....

Absolutely true.
However, any affection, not to mention respect at all left for what after all is, along with the Orthodox tradition, the Mother Church?
King James and King Charles not Protestant enough for you?
The rapprochement between the Lutherans and the Romans not mentioned in your church's bulletin?
Any realization that you would not have your personal Bible at all had it not been preserved by those horrid Greeks and even worse Romans?

sacerdotalism, indulgences, mariolatry, rosaries, sacraments, rituals, etc. Guilty as charged, and so what?

.... salvation was granted by grace alone, through faith, and that not of themselves....

There you go again, agreeing with the Pope.

The Roman Catholic Church ... laden with pagan tradition? Well yeah, that's the Roman part. The Greek Orthodox Church, laden with Hellenistic pagan traditions? Well yeah, that's the Greek part. Authority, Tradition, Hierarchy, no religion ... even the various Protestant sects .... can exist without some of those elements in greater or lesser degree. Think Circus (another pagan concept). The tents and costumes may differ, but the elephant is the same.

Take your stand. Militantly convert as many as you can to your way of worship and praise. However, don't presume that those outside of your particular sect are any more or less Christian, or even saved, than yourself.

9 posted on 02/15/2013 7:14:38 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: marshmallow

Well said!


10 posted on 02/15/2013 7:58:48 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." Thomas Jefferso)
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To: AbnSarge

If Rome taught anything close to the Scriptural definition of the gospel of Christ, there would be no argument. Its pagan traditions disqualify it. Sorry.


11 posted on 02/15/2013 10:43:40 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Celtic Conservative

I Tim. 1:3,4

DB88


12 posted on 02/15/2013 10:45:49 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Kenny Bunk
"Take your stand. Militantly convert as many as you can to your way of worship and praise."

Already taken. And, unlike the attitude of Rome, only God can convert anyone to biblical Christianity. But, continue on with the candles, the chalice, the prada shoes, the pointy hats, and the incense...Rom. 9:16

13 posted on 02/15/2013 10:50:28 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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For almost four years, I’ve been meeting regularly in study with a group that includes many Episcopalians. I respect them a great deal and wish all Anglicans/Episcopalians the very best in whatever they do and whatever they choose.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 10:53:30 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: marshmallow; Alex Murphy
"Blind fools. Blind, presumptuous fools."

Wait just a darn minute here. Isn't name calling supposed to be the domain of those who don't believe that "love" is the answer? Shouldn't you best hurry down to the man in the bathrobe and say a few "I can play dominos better than you can"? or paternosters (or some kind of noster) to get "saved" again?

15 posted on 02/15/2013 10:57:18 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
There's a name for posts like #5, above:

marshmallow fluff

16 posted on 02/15/2013 11:22:25 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: marshmallow
They're lost. Lost on an ocean of subjectivism and individualism where "truth" means whatever they decide it to mean. They're submerged in a sea of confusion where Pastor A and Minister B make it up out of whole cloth, all the while selling the snake oil of presumed "salvation", while ignoring the words of Jesus that it is not those who say "Lord, Lord" who will inherit the kingdom of heaven but those who "do the will of My Father".

Lotta drama here...Say, can you finally tell us then what the will of the Father is??? Or not???

17 posted on 02/15/2013 1:17:03 PM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: Iscool; marshmallow
There really was a lot of drama in that post.

My one question is, and it should be very simple to answer, is: Can you, marshmallow, tell us what we can do to be approved unto the Father?

18 posted on 02/15/2013 1:37:17 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: All

**Many formerly trapped Catholics **

No such thing. This statement is an oxymoron.

Once a Catholic — always a Catholic — and the person will have to answer for their Baptism when they die.

They may not be an active Catholic right now, but they will always be a Catholic.


19 posted on 02/16/2013 9:58:50 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dutchboy88
LOL! Check out what the Catholic Church teaches. This series has just started during Lent -- so look for it.

The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Unity and Trinity of God
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, God and His Perfections
The Baltimore Catechism: Part One: The Creed, The Purpose of Man's Existence

20 posted on 02/16/2013 10:01:12 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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