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Study: 'Toxic Perfectionism' Major Part of LDS Women's Depression
KSL.com ^ | Feb. 1, 2013 | KSL.com

Posted on 02/14/2013 3:33:33 PM PST by fattigermaster

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To: ravenwolf

YOU SAID: The question is, do i believe Joesph Smith to have been a false Prophet? exactly.

I SAY: Then why are you in such great angst over people who call him out? Why does it appear to cause you great discomfort for the teachings of mormonism, which are founded by Smith to be exposed?

BEFORE YOU SAY: but every other religion is the same way.

I SAY: Because we are called to call out false teachings and prophets. If you had read the Bible you would know this.


51 posted on 02/16/2013 10:46:50 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw
Smith would have alternatives.
52 posted on 02/16/2013 10:48:34 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

Yea, that was snarky of me. I think I read that Amway is really a big deal in the mormon community. I know many of my mormon family that sells it. Somewhere a million years ago, I thought I read that it was started by mormons and primarily promoted by mormons, but hey may its Shackly(sp) I am thinking of.


53 posted on 02/16/2013 11:06:29 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw
I don't know much about the history of Amway or Melaleuca, but those kind of multi-level marketing schemes seem to attract real go-getters. I think Joseph Smith had to be pretty ambitious.

Married men who desire multiple sexual partners are not rare. But, how many of them have the audacity to create a whole new religion just so that they can justify their desires?

Joe had to be a very special kind of guy.

54 posted on 02/16/2013 11:11:49 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

As you present Smith, I would agree.
He convinced married men to surrender their wives and in many cases their daughters as well to him for what essential were one night stands.
I wonder what kids of diet he had.
I know he made his own liqueur and smoked cigars, but other than that I do not know.
(The whole coffee and food issues thing came way later, never for him of course)


55 posted on 02/16/2013 11:21:04 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: colorcountry

Really enjoyed your comments and homepage. My sister lives in AZ and LDS stuff comes up off and on but I know very little in that regard.

kg/nancy


56 posted on 02/16/2013 11:43:03 AM PST by krunkygirl (force multiplier in effect...)
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To: ravenwolf
More bull manure.

I am amazed at the well thought out logic of your rebuttal.

57 posted on 02/16/2013 11:47:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vendome

I doubt if they are trying so hard to be seen ‘good’ in GOD’s eyes; but in their HUSBAND’s - who have the AWESOME power of calling them out or not!


58 posted on 02/16/2013 11:48:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luna
I think they forget those simple words of John 3:16.

There seems to be a LOT of simple words from history that are forgotten:

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)


59 posted on 02/16/2013 11:51:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Dang!

All those expectations and STILL some women want to be missionaires!?


The Rules

  1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
  2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
  3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
  4. Don't debate or argue.
  5. Center your mind on your mission.
  6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
  7. Cut your hair regularly.
  8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
  9. Be neat and clean.
  10. Bathe frequently.
  11. Use deodorant.
  12. Polish your shoes.
  13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
  14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
  15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
  16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
  17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
  18. Exercise regularly.
  19. Write in your journal regularly.
  20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
  21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
  22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
  23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
  24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
  25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
  26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
  27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
  28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
  29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
  30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
  31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
  32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
  33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
  34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
  35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
  36. Do not go on road trips.
  37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
  38. Do not watch television.
  39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
  40. Do not listen to the radio.
  41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
  42. Do not participate in musical groups.
  43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
  44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
  45. Do not engage in contact sports.
  46. Do not engage in water sports.
  47. Do not engage in winter sports.
  48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
  49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
  50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
  51. Do not embark on a private boat.
  52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
  53. Do not handle firearms.
  54. Do not handle explosives.
  55. Do not swim.
  56. Do not play full court basketball.
  57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
  58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
  59. You may play half-court basketball.
  60. Never be alone.
  61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
  62. Be loyal to your companion.
  63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
  64. Pray with your companion every day.
  65. Study with your companion every day.
  66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
  67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
  68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
  69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
  70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
  71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
  72. Do not arise before your companion.
  73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
  74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
  75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
  76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
  77. Do not flirt.
  78. Do not date.
  79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
  80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
  81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
  82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
  83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
  84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
  85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
  86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
  87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
  88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
  89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
  90. Do not telephone parents
  91. Do not telephone relatives.
  92. Do not telephone friends.
  93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
  94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
  95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
  96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
  97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
  98. Obey all mission rules.
  99. Obey the laws of the land.
  100. Do not get involved in politics.
  101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
  102. Do not give any information about the area.
  103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
  104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
  105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
  106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
  107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
  108. Be courteous.
  109. Provide community service.
  110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
  111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
  112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
  113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
  114. Keep your housing unit clean.
  115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
  116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
  117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
  118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
  119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
  120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
  121. Maintain your health.
  122. Eat a healthy diet.
  123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
  124. Follow the approved exercise program.
  125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
  126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
  127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
  128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
  129. Be immunized.
  130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
  131. Budget your money carefully.
  132. Keep a record of what you spend.
  133. Do not spend more than your companion.
  134. Do not loan money.
  135. Do not borrow money.
  136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
  137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
  138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
  139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
  140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
  141. Be a frugal photographer.
  142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
  143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
  144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
  145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
  146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
  147. Do not drive without a license.
  148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
  149. Do not drive members’ cars.
  150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
  151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
  152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
  153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
  154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
  155. Drive defensively.
  156. Wear your seat belt.
  157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
  159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
  160. Know bicycle safety rules.
  161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
  162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
  163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
  164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
  165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
  166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
  167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

60 posted on 02/16/2013 11:53:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luna
This is her perception, that others are judging her. My question to her would be: So what if other people are judging you?

Maybe that annual meeting with the Bishop over her TR is getting to her...


 

Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

61 posted on 02/16/2013 11:55:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Dang, that’s admittedly a large pocket full of rules, but I don’t think you can change even one of them without threatening the whole program!


62 posted on 02/16/2013 11:57:05 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Luna
There is a part of Mormon culture (which I differentiate from Mormom doctrine)...

I'm glad you posted this, as I canNOT figure out WHY they are different.

Are not the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of LATTER-DAY Saints supposed to rely quite heavily upon actually FOLLOWING where their scriptures and teachings lead them?

63 posted on 02/16/2013 11:58:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

If your companion is driving, assist him or her.

Playing golf or ???????


64 posted on 02/16/2013 11:59:21 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: ravenwolf
Reading the story of this so called therapist is just like reading the msm news paper, half truths if not out right lies.

Well; now I am confused.

Just WHICH things are lies and WHICH are merely half-truths?

You CANNOT just layout a claim like this and then not tell the jurors what you are talking about; as they'll begin to ignore you.

65 posted on 02/16/2013 12:01:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
What a hateful remark.

HEATED - not Hateful

--MormonDude(These threads depress me so much; that I hardly EVER join them...)








66 posted on 02/16/2013 12:04:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

I SAY: Because we are called to call out false teachings and prophets. If you had read the Bible you would know this.

I SAY: Then why are you in such great angst over people who call him out


You say you are called to call out false teachings, which i see nothing wrong with, but running down the Mormon women for their work ethic is quite another, in fact if you had of read the Bible you should know that the Bible does teach it.

angst? what in the hell is that? i just said it makes me so dam mad ( which to me is just plain words for being ticked off )


67 posted on 02/16/2013 12:04:35 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
You are right, i should have used different words, it got put that way because my mind was not on the lady who made the comment but on the hatefulness of the people who are doing every thing they can to make the Mormon Women feel inferior to other people, they are not inferior, if there is a difference i would say the ones i have known are superior.

Yeah: those kind of folks tend to drive others away; don't they...



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

68 posted on 02/16/2013 12:05:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
And i am certainly not a Mormon.

You AREN'T??!?!?!

I gotta stay outta these threads; as I keep getting fooled...

69 posted on 02/16/2013 12:06:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reeses
Mormon ladies don't drink coffee which explains a part of the Prozac sales.

Why NOT???

Oh: Culture...

...as it SURELY is not found in their 'scripture'.

HOT drinks are banned; not COLD coffee.

But HEY!; it ain't up to ME to tell them how to interpret what all those words mean.


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
 
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
 
  1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
  3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
  5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
  7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
  8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
  12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
  14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
  15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
  16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
  19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
  20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.



70 posted on 02/16/2013 12:09:15 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
That could mean anything, i am not very good at guessing.

Hang around; as much of MORMONism's teaching WILL be shown in this thread.

71 posted on 02/16/2013 12:10:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

No need to guess.

YOU SAID: doing every thing they can to make the Mormon Women feel inferior to other people

I SAID: Finally, you understand some of momronism’s teachings.


The Mormon haters try to make it look like the Mormon Women are inferior, so what does that have to do with Mormon teaching? what point are you trying to make?


72 posted on 02/16/2013 12:12:34 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
i was not Christian bashing, the only thing i am doing is to say that it is hypocritical for one false religion to call an other one false.

You are right; but vague, since you never explain the OTHER false religion besides MORMONism; leaving the jurors to ASSUME you meant Christianity - MORMONism's biggest enemy.

73 posted on 02/16/2013 12:13:15 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
I was going to suggest that you read and reread every word of what Jesus said and dwell on it and to even follow the path to the cross where he was slain as the lamb of God and see how much of it you can recognize in your Church.

I would bet that this HAS been done.

The only problem is (and this can exist in ANY church) is that the church's teachings on the matter gets drilled into a person MORE than what was actually read to begin with.

74 posted on 02/16/2013 12:15:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf

angst:
1. a transcendent emotion in that it combines the unbearable anguish of life with the hopes of overcoming
2. a feeling of anxiety
3. combined fear and anxiety
4. dread
5. frustration
6. disquiet
7. misgiving
8. nervousness
9. uneasiness

Work ethic?

Do you know why they work?
(psst, because they must earn Salvation)


75 posted on 02/16/2013 12:16:26 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Tau Food

If Joseph Smith were living in America today, he would not feel any need to be a Mormon. Given current social mores, there is no longer any need to create a whole new religion just to provide a religious cover for sexual perversion.


You got that right, he could just go out and do any woman he wanted to an the rest of us would have to support the kids that came from it.


76 posted on 02/16/2013 12:17:23 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
The question is, do i believe Joesph Smith to have been a false Prophet?
 
Do ANY of you "damned " SLC mormons reading this, who has gotten any information from your church, that old B.Y. was:
 
1. Speaking the very words of GOD
2. Drunk
3. On peyote
4. REALLY upset at SOMEone
5. Or just running his mouth as a man: a mere mortal, prone to the slings and arrows that beset us all or do you
6. just accept the FACT that you are, truly, damned for not following your Scripture found in D&C 132:58-66?

77 posted on 02/16/2013 12:19:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: polkajello
Good thing Joseph Smith married Emma and not Jodi.

Good, ol', peaceful Emma - what a SAINT!!!


THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
 
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
 
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!          
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

78 posted on 02/16/2013 12:21:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tau Food
But, how many of them have the audacity to create a whole new religion just so that they can justify their desires?

 

Polygamy: How it all got Started


 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


79 posted on 02/16/2013 12:23:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I can tell you, in the last two years of my friends life, she frequenlty worried if her husband would call her name. more troubling was. She had forgotten the name she was given in the endowment ceremony..

I reassured her that her would find her no matter what.


80 posted on 02/16/2013 12:24:40 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: svcw
I wonder what kids of diet he had.

I do NOT like the way is thread is going!!!



81 posted on 02/16/2013 12:25:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tau Food

I’d leave #54 to MythBusters; but I’d be in a REAL quandry trying to figger out WHICH half I could play in #59!


82 posted on 02/16/2013 12:28:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

See this lever?

SHift it when I tell you...


83 posted on 02/16/2013 12:29:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
The Mormon haters try to make it look like the Mormon Women are inferior, so what does that have to do with Mormon teaching?

BINGO!

84 posted on 02/16/2013 12:30:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vendome

Calling out “To Whom it May Concern” might work.


85 posted on 02/16/2013 12:32:52 PM PST by polkajello
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To: ravenwolf

Again, you use the phrase “mormon haters” and have yet to provide one example of this illusive hate.


86 posted on 02/16/2013 12:35:57 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Elsie

;-)
I bet he ate all kiNds of kids.


87 posted on 02/16/2013 12:37:46 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Elsie
HOT drinks are banned; not COLD coffee. But HEY!; it ain't up to ME to tell them how to interpret what all those words mean.

A practical reason coffee and tea drinking was discontinued after they moved to Utah is it's too dry and cold to grow there. They wanted to minimize their contact with non-believers so those habits had to go.

88 posted on 02/16/2013 12:51:08 PM PST by Reeses
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To: Elsie

You CANNOT just layout a claim like this and then not tell the jurors what you are talking about; as they’ll begin to ignore you.


If the accuser can do it why can,t I? and do you suggest that every thing you hear on msm is to be taken for the gospel?

I take most accusations with a grain of salt, especially in religion.

If i heard a Catholic belittling Catholic women i would think his agenda would be to make the Catholic Church look bad and if he was not willing to denounce the Church why would i take any thing he said serous.

And i would be the same regardless of what Church it is, it reminds me of the scripture.

_——————————————————————————
For where the carcass is, the vultures will gather.


Also i usually take up for the down trodden.


89 posted on 02/16/2013 12:54:24 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
That's what a works based religion will lead to.

Galatians 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

90 posted on 02/16/2013 12:57:18 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: polkajello

Now thatz just plain cruel....


91 posted on 02/16/2013 1:02:47 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Reeses

I’ll tell you what one of my mormon uncles said, during the (anti-alcohol movement) mormons did not want to be seen as Christians who started drinking tea and coffee instead of alcohol, so their god mysteriously came up with the “no hot drinks” then that was easily translated to no coffee.

As far as to cold and or dry, come on really people in the west were the biggest coffee drinkers.


92 posted on 02/16/2013 1:03:21 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Vendome

Nah, Celestial Marriage is a hoax to get women for Smith & Bring’em Young.


93 posted on 02/16/2013 2:33:28 PM PST by polkajello
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To: ravenwolf
I take most accusations with a grain of salt, especially in religion.

Then I'll have to guess that yours is being a whirling dervish.

94 posted on 02/16/2013 2:48:15 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reeses
A practical reason coffee and tea drinking was discontinued after they moved to Utah is it's too dry and cold to grow there. They wanted to minimize their contact with non-believers so those habits had to go.

But...

...how does this apply to verses 12-13?

I've yet to find a MORMON on FR that will admit to FAILING to follow this COMMAND in warm weather!

Must be rough when yer GENTILE neighbors keep inviting you over to a backyard BBQ in the summer!

95 posted on 02/16/2013 2:51:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: polkajello

it’s outta this world!


96 posted on 02/16/2013 2:53:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: polkajello
it's outta this world!


97 posted on 02/16/2013 2:54:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf; svcw
The Mormon haters try to make it look like the Mormon Women are inferior, so what does that have to do with Mormon teaching? what point are you trying to make?

(1) A temple Mormon wife can't make it to live with Heavenly Father forever unless her husband calls her forth from beyond the veil with a special name given to her from the temple ritual.

(2) A people who embraced the Book of Mormon also embraced a Book of Mormon culture.

Here...I'll introduce you to the Book of Mormon culture via a quick play of:

Book of Mormon Jeopardy on Women

Time to hit the Jeopardy category of “Women in the Book of Mormon.” (For those who don't know "Jeopardy," the answer comes first)
Answer: 2%
Question: What % of the 250 or so characters in the Book of Mormon are female?

Answer: Once
Question: How many times are “sisters” even referenced in the Book of Mormon? [The only reference I've found is 2 Nephi 5:6 – and even then
these sisters of Nephi are unnumbered & unnamed]

Answer: Sarai
Question: Who's the only wife mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon?

Answer: Abish
Question: Who's the only daughter mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon?

Answer: Don't Exist
Question: Who are the sisters mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon?

Now that we know the BoM marginalizes women, how can we tell if it trivializes women, too?

(a) Leading off the lineup of Mormon women, we have the unnamed daughter of Jared (Ether 8:8-12). What goes through her brain? Why she wants to dance before a man so that she'll seduce him into marrying him; then this household can properly commit patricide. Nice.

(b) There's an unnamed Lamanite queen in Alma 47:35. She's easy to defraud.

(c) There's another unnamed Lamanite queen in Alma 22:19-24. Let's see. This queen sees Aaron & servants @ foot of a dead king's bed. She jumps to wrongful conclusions. Then in all her decisiveness, she's going to massacre them for guilt-by-association. Then she started to back down from her heavy-handed executive authority. Why? Not because of justice, but because of fear – her servants were fearful. So she was, too (v. 21). Aaron, seeing that this woman was no match for kingdom authority, elected, instead to do the “easy thing.” And what was the easy thing in comparison to trying to deal with this queen? Why, he raised the king back from the dead (vv. 22-23).

(d) And since the book of Alma in the Book of Mormon seems to carry the predominant mention of women on behalf of the entire book, how do the earlier chapters introduce such women?
Here, read it yourself:
“And now, may the peace of God rest upon you, and upon your houses and lands, and upon your flocks and herds, and
[“and” = covering things you haven't yet covered...so what you seen the next line applies to what follows -- not what was preceding]
and all that you POSSESS, your women and your children,
according to your faith and good works,
from this time forth AND FOREVER
And thus I have spoken. Amen. (Alma 7:27)

(Well, last time I looked, forever meant forever)

Other than that, when women are mentioned in the Book of Mormon, they are good for toiling, spinning, working (Mosiah 10:5; Hel. 6:13) and having kids (1 Nephi 17:1), which the prestigious clans of the Book of Mormon were good at having by gobs of millions...supposedly.

And even when we get to the grandest of stories about women yanked out of the Bible, even Joseph can't get it quite exact. He references an unnamed virgin in 1 Nephi 11:18 -- who Smith identified as "the mother of God."

By comparison, women in the Bible were judges (Deborah), prophetesses (Anna, 4 daughters of Philip), heroines (Esther), etc.

98 posted on 02/16/2013 3:09:48 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: ravenwolf; Elsie; All
Reading the story of this so called therapist is just like reading the msm news paper, half truths if not out right lies. Is this guy preying on Mormon women or what?

Please a show at least a little bit of discernment prior to exporting your underconsidered opinions to the world.

I mean, these articles are not done "expose'" style of the person behind the study...therefore, are you really claiming that Mormon church-owned media outlets are highlighting somebody who is "preying on Mormon women?"

FYI to you: Both KSL -- and the Deseret News --
--both media outlets being owned by the Mormon church ...
--both highlighted this study (For the DesNews piece, see: UVU professor's study puts focus on LDS women and depression)...

99 posted on 02/16/2013 3:22:43 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: ravenwolf
Also i usually take up for the down trodden.

I concern myself more with the hell bound. After one has been trodden down, they can get back up but hell is forever.

100 posted on 02/16/2013 4:21:39 PM PST by Holly_P
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