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Pro-choice pastor: Churches must “lead charge” against abortion stigma
Jill Stanek ^ | Jill Stanek

Posted on 02/04/2013 5:17:46 PM PST by Morgana

Many times in my ministry, a conversation with abortion clinic staffers that began with talking about the spiritual needs of patients ends on a far more personal note….

An office manager told a colleague of mine that she braces herself every time she checks the mail, wondering how many hate letters she’ll come across, and wants a sacred community to turn to for support. One clinic counselor said she misses the rituals and music of her faith community, and often thinks about trying to find a church, but worries about being judged or shunned when small talk leads to questions about where she works…

Given that the domestic terrorists who threaten clinic workers so often coach their actions in the garb of faith, it seems imperative to me that faith communities welcome clinic workers with open arms, and lead the charge in helping to break down the stigma around this needed work.

~ Reverend Matthew Westfox (pictured) of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, describing the spiritual needs of abortion clinic workers to whom he has ministered, via MSNBC, January 31

Click the link for the MSNBC interview with Melissa Harris-Perry.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; celebratesin; godgap; infanticide; melissaharrisperry; msnbc; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; proaborts; prolife; religiousleft; sexpositiveagenda

1 posted on 02/04/2013 5:17:52 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana
break down the stigma around this needed work.

Incredible. 3,300 times DAILY, this "needed" work brutally slaughters most hideously unborn and newly born American babies . . . . DAILY.

Now, why would there be such a stigma.

2 posted on 02/04/2013 5:25:47 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Morgana
Given the fact that the majority of those who claim to be Christian in this country don't see anything wrong with murdering infants with contraceptives, this guy probably really can't understand why so many pro-Life people “so often coach their actions in the garb of faith”.
3 posted on 02/04/2013 5:28:13 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: laweeks

Just one of Margaret Sangers cronies.


4 posted on 02/04/2013 5:28:42 PM PST by Morgana (This space for rent.)
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To: laweeks

Hate: hae-tuh. Noun. Word used by liberal thinkers and writers to describe conservative views, particularly opinions involving marriage and abortion.


5 posted on 02/04/2013 5:30:45 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: Morgana

Forgiveness of sins, yes. But first you need to repent.

It’s not for a Christian pastor to say, “Welcome to my church, you nice, sweet baby-killer! Don’t forget to come into the meeting room for coffee and donuts after the service, and we can all tell warm and fuzzy stories about killing babies.”


6 posted on 02/04/2013 5:38:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Morgana

I’m sorry but how can you be pro choice and a Pastor, isn’t the killing of innocents a SIN?

Reverend Matthew Westfox of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. Maybe I am mistaken isn’t Satanism a recognized religion now? That must be what his church is!


7 posted on 02/04/2013 6:04:57 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Morgana

55 million aborted babies disagree with these people


8 posted on 02/04/2013 6:29:29 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Morgana

So when do they start on the other 9 commandments?


9 posted on 02/04/2013 6:31:21 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Morgana

A fake “pastor” who is simply a media creation.


10 posted on 02/04/2013 6:32:26 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Morgana
Reverend Matthew Westfox (pictured) of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice Nothing "reverend" about a man (or woman) claiming to represent God proclaiming abortion to be right and good.
11 posted on 02/04/2013 7:30:59 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Morgana
Reverend Matthew Westfox (pictured) of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice

Nothing "reverend" about a man (or woman) claiming to represent God proclaiming abortion to be right and good.

12 posted on 02/04/2013 7:31:06 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Morgana

This is one evil son of satan.


13 posted on 02/04/2013 8:01:27 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Morgana

well, “Reverend”... read the scriptures lately?

Justice begins at the pulpit. (in other words, those you lead astray, their sins will be on your head.)


14 posted on 02/04/2013 8:04:35 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Morgana

What kind of church is pro-death and anti baby? Have they never held a baby?

There is a commandment involved in the matter. No trifling issue for a church.


15 posted on 02/04/2013 9:03:04 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Morgana

Everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial for a Christian, right? So a Christian could theoretically work in a bar, a brothel, or an abortion clinic. However, that doesn’t mean it’s a spiritually good thing to do.

In this particular case, we’re not talking about a woman who has had an abortion. We all know that Christ’s blood is sufficient for all sins, including abortion. So long as the woman repents and tries to sin no more, then I see no reason why a church wouldn’t welcome her with open arms.

On the other hand, an abortion clinic worker’s job is sin itself. There’s simply no way to twist scripture to say it’s OK to murder babies in the womb. It’s impossible to separate work from one’s walk with Christ. In other words, you can’t wall off areas of your life so they don’t count. That would be like saying it’s OK to be a prostitute at night so long as you attend church during the day.

Any church that would tell the worker it’s OK to murder babies, is apostate. The same thing applies to “churches” that bless same-sex “marriages” or, worse, ordain practicing homosexuals. Teachers are held to a higher standard. I’d hate to be in their shoes when they are held to account for preaching sin in Christ’s name.


16 posted on 02/04/2013 10:25:48 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Rashputin

Not all contraceptives murder infants, but I understand your point. Why not educate your brothers and sisters before you condemn them all? It’s not common knowledge, for example, that birth control pills can kill a fertilized egg. From what I understand, that’s not the most common way birth control pills work, but it happens. A condom, on the other hand, does not kill. I understand some Christians think condoms are also wrong, but that’s not a clear cut issue for me. That’s more of a doctrinal issue, meaning I wouldn’t try to tell a Catholic it’s OK to violate her faith by using contraception if she thought it was a sin.


17 posted on 02/04/2013 10:39:37 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Morgana

I know a devil’s son when I see one, and I see one when I look at this guy.


18 posted on 02/04/2013 10:58:11 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Rashputin
Given the fact that the majority of those who claim to be Christian in this country don't see anything wrong with murdering infants with contraceptives, this guy probably really can't understand why so many pro-Life people “so often coach their actions in the garb of faith”.

I see a world of difference between preventing life by whatever means, and intentionally destroying it. I've had two babies; I did not commit murder by using measures to avoid getting pregnant again.

19 posted on 02/05/2013 4:35:48 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Mastador1

Even more basically, how can a person consider themselves to be Christian and murder babies?


20 posted on 02/05/2013 4:38:52 AM PST by Pecos (If more sane people carried guns, fewer crazies would get off a second shot.)
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To: Morgana

Wolf, meet sheep suit.


21 posted on 02/05/2013 4:44:42 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: exDemMom
"I did not commit murder by using measures to avoid getting pregnant again. "

Depending on the type of contraception, maybe you didn't maybe you did.

While a lot of people apparently don't know the facts, the most commonly used contraceptives do regularly kill an already formed infant by keeping it from attaching and remaining in the womb. The failure to keep fertilization from happening in the first place is common enough that every year at least twice as many** infants die due to contraceptive caused miscarrage at a very early date as do from abortions.

Until the 1930s, every Christian church, not just Catholic Church, taught that contraception was a sin even if they did not fully agree with the same strict definitions and standards the Catholic Church has always taught. Now, the Catholic Church is almost alone in teaching against all forms of contraception although with Jerry Falwell leading the way, in the early eighties the SBC did make it clear that Southern Baptists should only rely on contraceptives that prevent fertilization, not those that prevent an already conceived infant from remaining in the womb

Catholic teach what they've taught for two thousand years, but non-Catholics Christians need to ask themself a couple of simple questions. First, was their church was being led by the Scripture and Holy Spirit for the hundreds of years between Luther and the 1930s, or are they being led by Scripture and the Holy Spirit now that they teach the exact opposite. Second, when contraception methods are avilable that are just as effective and not abortifacient, how can they justify using methods that actually do kill already cnceived infants.

** "If Christian couples in your church are using the following listed “birth control” chemicals or devices, you can be certain that conceived human beings – as precious in God’s eyes as you or I – are dying in your congregation. “The Pill,” Norplant, Depo-Provera, and the IUD are commonly used “birth control” methods by women in the world and the church alike. These chemicals are known to be abortifacient drugs. They allow for a phenomenon known “break through ovulation.” Instead of “preventing pregnancy,” these drugs often allow fertilization. At that moment, a human being is conceived. The drugs then make the woman’s womb hostile to that child. Instead of implanting and growing, the child is rejected and starved – she or he dies and is expelled.

By these methods, an estimated 10 million children die each year in the U.S.!"

From http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/000362.php

23 posted on 02/05/2013 8:25:19 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Depending on the type of contraception, maybe you didn't maybe you did.

While a lot of people apparently don't know the facts, the most commonly used contraceptives do regularly kill an already formed infant by keeping it from attaching and remaining in the womb. The failure to keep fertilization from happening in the first place is common enough that every year at least twice as many** infants die due to contraceptive caused miscarrage at a very early date as do from abortions.

Let's look at some scientific facts here.

1) A fertilized ovum has a very small chance of surviving until implanting. It has, at most, a 25% chance of implanting. Even if it does implant, it still has about a 30% chance of dying. The woman will never know that an ovum was fertilized.

2) At the time of implantation, the fertilized ovum consists of fewer than 200 cells (actually, about 150). This is not enough cells to form any kind of structure. There are no organs, no nervous system, nothing to distinguish that clump of cells from any other clump of cells (and due to my background in medical research, I see a *lot* of clumps of cells). It does not have the physical capability of being aware of anything--it cannot know it's alive.

3) The nervous system begins to form at around 3 weeks post-fertilization. At that point, I'd say we have every obligation to protect that life, because it now has the physical ability to be aware and feel.

I won't conflate an embryo who has all of his/her organs and a functional nervous system with a fertilized egg. If that egg doesn't implant, pregnancy does not occur. I have no problem with that.

24 posted on 02/05/2013 5:59:10 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: CitizenUSA
Thank you for a reasonable and plainly stated post.

I can see how you would distinguish between an abortifacient drug or device (e.g. one of the hormonal contraceptives) and one which is not abortifacient (such as a condom.) It is a real distinction.

However, from a Biblical point of view, it should be pondered that there is only once in Scripture where a person performs a contracepted sexual act (the sin of Onan) -- and it is clearly condemned ("And the thing which he did was evil in the sight of the LORD; and He slew him also." - Gen 38:10)

"The thing which he did" was a sexual act intentionally turned against procreation.

Moreover, all Christian churches understood it this way until 1930, when the Anglican Church became the first (and at that time, only) Christian church to OK contraception. At that point, you have to say either ALL the other Christians throught history were ALL wrong about how to interpret the Bible for 1900+ years, and only got it right in 1930; or you have to say, hmm, this is strong circumstantial evidence that the Anglicans were abandoning Biblical influences, and conforming to cultural ones.

I would give you a more detiled Biblical and Natural Law argument to ponder, but it's bedtime for me. Good night to you, Citizen, and God bless.

25 posted on 02/05/2013 7:09:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (C'est la vie.)
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To: exDemMom
You are quite right that non-abortive contraception is not murder. However, murder isn't the only sin; there are other things to consider. This may be of some interest to you: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2985328/posts?page=25#25

Thanks, good night.

26 posted on 02/05/2013 7:14:36 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (C'est la vie.)
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