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Mormon reply to thread "Mormons in Mourning: Post Election Depression"
FramReport Blog ^ | December 29, 2012 | Greg West

Posted on 12/30/2012 10:06:43 AM PST by greyfoxx39

Mormons and "post-election depression"

Back on November 8th, Kathryn Skaggs wrote an article on her blog, "Mormons in Mourning: Post Election Depression." In the article she expresses the dismay at having the hopes that Romney might have been the fulfillment of several prophetic statements by early Church leaders regarding a time when the elders of Israel (LDS priesthood) would save the Constitution when it should hang by a thread. Sister Skaggs and other conservatives had their hopes dashed when Romney lost.

The reason I mention this nearly two-month old article is that it has surfaced on Free Republic,
posted by anti-Mormon "Greyfoxx39." It begins with a selectively highlighted copy of the article (which probably violates Ms. Skagg's copyrights if there are any) and then includes this analysis from Greyfoxx39:

"This article illustrates the dirty campaigning that was done by Romney and his sycophants beginning in the 2008 electoral cycle when they were hoping to harm Governor Palin’s reputation to the point she wouldn’t be a viable candidate in the future. All to pave the way for Mitt. And in 2012 these tactics were used against all the other primary candidates in order again, to pave the way for Mitt.
"I don't believe Tagg Romney. I believe that Mitt not only wanted the presidency, but he believed he was foreordained by way of the mormon religion to become the "man on the White Horse". The mormon leaders had already planned ahead for a blitz campaign to convert others including Christians, because there is an attitude of "specialness" and belief that the sect in the future will rule the world fostered by the religion in its members.
"Instead, Mitt Romney has given this country four more disastrous years of Barack Obama."
After this introduction, the anti-Mormon "ping list" gets activated to invite Elsie, svcw, Zakeet, Tennessee Nana, aMorePerfectUnion, Godzilla, fishtank, metmom, and others to the thread. Once there, the anti-Mormon sharks begin their feeding frenzy. Nothing new, really. So why do I mention it. I want to discuss the perceptions of LDS conservatives on this prophecy vs. the views of LDS liberals. Yes, there are LDS liberals and moderates.
There are those of us who separate our politics and our religion. There are those of us who are libertarians and democrats as well as republicans. Not all American Mormons are conservative republicans. Some of us see the GOP as having been co-opted by Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, and corporatists who have linked arms with religious conservatives in an unholy alliance of Mammon and false religion.
If latter-day saints are going to be true to their principles, we have to accept and teach that an apostasy took place. The first message to this dispensation, brought to the world by God the Father and Jesus Christ in a personal appearance to the Prophet Joseph Smith was that none of the religions of the world were recognized as his. They had no authority. They taught the doctrines of men. Their professors were corrupt. Their creeds were an abomination. Unfortunately, that message can't be sugar-coated. It is the very reason there had to be a restoration. If we become too desirous for acceptance by mainstream denominations, we undercut our reason to exist at all as a faith.
Thus, the Republican party is no more righteous or moral than the Democrat party. The conservative Christians may decry the Democrats over abortion, gay marriage, etc., but their religious tenets are not endorsed by the God of Heaven who appeared to Joseph Smith. Both sides are utterly "telestial" in their approach. If the religious right were to exercise power unchecked by liberals, they would rule as ruthlessly as the Taliban did in Afghanistan. And among their targets would be latter-day saints. We have felt their heavy hand in places like Missouri and Nauvoo in our past.
Sister Skaggs and her fellow conservatives were sorely mistaken to hitch their hopes to a politician. They misunderstand the prophecies, having never studied them in detail. There are various iterations of these in our "folklore" and the confusion results from the doctrines of men being mingled with scripture. They omit parts of the accounts that don't jibe with their interpretations. For example, Orson Pratt, an early LDS apostle and associate of Joseph Smith said that, as best as he could remember, Joseph Smith said "if" the Constitution is to be saved, it would be by the elders of Israel. Brigham Young said that the saints would preserve the principles of the Constitution in Zion. Nowhere did they say that the United States survives as a political entity.
In fact, we know from the voice of the Lord in Section 89 that he will make a "full end of all nations" ultimately. Zion, the kingdom of God, will be the last one standing. All other political systems and nations will collapse, including the United States of America. Mitt Romney will not save it. Mormon elders will not save it. What will happen, according to all the prophecies, is that the freedoms we treasure will be held inviolate in Zion when it is established. All nations will flow unto it (Isaiah 2:2). Those who will not take up the sword against their neighbors in the tribulations of the last days will flee to it (Doctrine and Covenants 45:68). It will be protected by divine power, not by military might or by armed citizens (Doctrine and Covenants 45:67, 70).
Because of the work of secret combinations that have political parties both in the United States and abroad, the current system of nation-states is being collapsed. The Book of Mormon tells us that these secret conspirators seek to overthrow the freedom of all nations (Ether 8:25). Through them, Satan intends to establish a false Zion, a global political system that will oppose the true kingdom of God on earth. This is the "beast" of the book of Revelation. We know that the Lord will permit it to have dominion for a time, times, and half a time (42 months, 1260 days, ) (See Revelation 12 and 13, Daniel 12). It will speak against God and his kingdom. It will "wear out" the saints of the Most High (Daniel 7:25).
When this kingdom comes to power, Zion will have risen from the collapsed ruins of America. Think of the story of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by his brethren. Joseph was given power and authority, symbolized by his coat of many colors. His revelations told him that his brethren would show honor to him and that he had the right to rule. In the last days, God has gathered the tribe of Ephraim, Joseph's son through the missionary work since the Restoration. The descendants of Joseph have been given priesthood authority--the only legitimate authority on earth or in heaven.
Like Joseph's brethren, who envied him and sought his destruction, there have been those who have sought to destroy the tribe of Joseph who has been doing God's bidding since 1830. Nevertheless, a famine has been set upon the land. In Egypt, it was a literal famine. In our day, it is a famine for hearing the word of God (Amos 8:11). In the future, it will also be a literal famine because the Lord has revealed it (Doctrine and Covenants 29:16, 43:25, 87:6).
The time is now that those who desire the word of God must come to the people of Joseph to obtain their spiritual nourishment. The time will come in the future when they will come to us to have physical nourishment as well. In the midst of tribulation, Mormons will offer safety and refuge to the honest-in-heart who come in their need.
The wicked among both the churched and unchurched will revile against Zion and fight against it. Anti-Mormons do so now. They will continue to do so until their opposition ensures God's judgment upon them when they are fully ripe in their wickedness.
Mitt Romney, the GOP, the Democrats, and other groups are playing out their parts. Sister Skaggs should not be disappointed by Mitt's failed candidacy. It is a win-win for the Church. The Church benefited to some degree from the enhanced profile during the election. It weathered some opposition that strengthened us. Many people ended up with more favorable opinions. When it comes time for them to come to Zion, they will feel much more positively disposed to seek refuge with the saints. The other "win" for the Church comes because, without Romney in office, it doesn't have to bear the brunt of criticism that might come from failed policies or various conspiracy theories our enemies might invent. We got all the benefit and none of the downside.
There is no reason for latter-day saints to be depressed in Mitt's defeat. Our faith is in Christ. Hard times will come. Tribulations will make it seem like we will lose the battle. The Lord will let us be tried to our utmost, but he will deliver us. Zion will stand and be a source of deliverance to the righteous from all nations. It doesn't matter if Barack Obama is president or Mitt Romney. All of these prophecies will play out according to the Lord's omniscient foreknowledge. Our duty is to bear witness of Christ and his kingdom, not play politics with those of the telestial world. Babylon and its political parties isn't going to win in the end.
To the anti-Mormons on Free Republic: our foes will mock, but they will ultimately mourn. We will enjoy all the promised blessings if we remain faithful and build Zion with our time, means, service, and prayers. As the Lord has told us, "lift up your heads and be of good cheer."
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The FR thread that is the basis for this rant can be found Here

Note the maligning of "conservative Christians" in this inflammatory screed.

The Flying Inmans of FR have often posted examples of mormon goals of ruling the world. Kudos to West for his verification including sources from mormon doctrine, of the aim first declared by Joseph Smith and carried onward to the present time.

To those FReepers who consider mormons just the "nicest" neighbors and acquaintances, are you sure this isn't their mindset along with that of West?

I personally heard much of this belief from the podium in mormon services decades ago.

1 posted on 12/30/2012 10:06:56 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

West is only stating what those of us who know and understand mormonISM have said all along yet have denied.


2 posted on 12/30/2012 10:11:02 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Greg is in a cult, hoping to become a god- his rant comes from his satanic desire.


3 posted on 12/30/2012 10:11:29 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Perhaps we dodged a bullet, here, only to be shot between the eyes by another 0bama term? Nice that we were lead to believe we had a CHOICE in the form of Execution for America.

Meh. Romney. Never was thrilled to the gills over that pick...


4 posted on 12/30/2012 10:13:33 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Meh. Romney. Never was thrilled to the gills over that pick...

Especially since according to his son he "really didn't want to win"!

I wonder if West will address THAT comment.

5 posted on 12/30/2012 10:15:46 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney's gift to the country....Boehner bowing to Obama while kicking the Tea Party.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Harry Reid, Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch and Glenn Beck...

...normally, one worth a damn out of four would be enough. No matter, the LDS gave America Obama's killing blow...thanks Joe and Brigham--you got your revenge...choke on it!

6 posted on 12/30/2012 10:16:33 AM PST by Happy Rain (Outlawing firearms because of Adam Lanza would be like outlawing free speech because of Bill Maher.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Our Mormon neighbor didn’t put up any Christmas decorations this year. I realize this is only one family. I do think there is some deep soul-searching going on among the Mormons. I think that they were very excited by Romney’s campaign. If they follow true to form, and I think they will, they will close ranks and get angry. And, even though millions of us non-Mormons voted for Romney, they’ll be mad at all non-Mormons.


7 posted on 12/30/2012 10:20:49 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: greyfoxx39

Yeah I don’t know how any Mormon could get offended by FR posts on that subject unless they are fanatics plotting the destruction of all religions. /s

Rather than destroy Mormonism, the campaign against Mormonism has done much to diminish this site. Sad fact.


8 posted on 12/30/2012 10:22:54 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: blueunicorn6
A high ranking Mormon gave us four more years of Obama...and you say THEY should be angry at non Mormons?!?!?
9 posted on 12/30/2012 10:24:07 AM PST by Happy Rain (Outlawing firearms because of Adam Lanza would be like outlawing free speech because of Bill Maher.)
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To: greyfoxx39

but but but but but but it wasn’t about his religion at all....

lolz

How does Harry Reid, Mormon in good standing, feel?


10 posted on 12/30/2012 10:25:23 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: greyfoxx39

West is a moron. Why doesn’t he deal with the clap happy Mormon Obama voters. There’s a ton of them in California and Washington. My neighbors cried tears of joy when dumbo got re elected.

This whole Romney run for the president was just another attempt at attacking Christianity. I didn’t see it before but I do now. Mormons come out of it getting more recognition and even becoming bigger victims all the while attacking conservative Christians.


11 posted on 12/30/2012 10:27:36 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Williams
Conservative American tolerance for Mormon proselytizing on this site bamboozled many into thinking that RINO Romney had a frigging’ chance when REAL conservatives knew better.

The Mormon aristocracy will have much to answer for when the rest of us are packed into the gulag bound cattle cars.

12 posted on 12/30/2012 10:31:27 AM PST by Happy Rain (Outlawing firearms because of Adam Lanza would be like outlawing free speech because of Bill Maher.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Especially since according to [Romney's] son, [Mitt Romney] "really didn't want to win"!

Like the poor sport who loses really didn't care about winning the stupid old game anyway.

For a guy who didn't really want to run or to win, Romney sure did a lot of damage to his competitors, such as Newt Gingrich, who DID want to run and DID want to win. Newt was very far from perfect, but he was someone I would have voted for because the compromises I'd have been making to do so would have been reasonable. Romney, on the other hand, required zero compromising -- he required wholesale capituation to the liberal agenda. He stunk then and he still stinks. I thank GOD he lost because he would have been far, far worse for America and for conservatism than most people here understand.

13 posted on 12/30/2012 10:31:30 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: greyfoxx39

on Free Republic, posted by anti-Mormon “Greyfoxx39.”

“Instead, Mitt Romney has given this country four more disastrous years of Barack Obama.”

After this introduction, the anti-Mormon “ping list” gets activated to invite Elsie, svcw, Zakeet, Tennessee Nana, aMorePerfectUnion, Godzilla, fishtank, metmom, and others to the thread
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So the anti-Christian disses some lovely Christian FReepers and doesnt let them know ???

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Not very nice ...


14 posted on 12/30/2012 10:32:00 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Williams

Did you read West’s statement?
He is a mormon, this is what they beleive.
mormons are offended with what’s posted on FR about mormonISM because they are being exposed.


15 posted on 12/30/2012 10:33:57 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; metmom

We all were mentioned in this article by an anti-Christian..

Courtesy PING


16 posted on 12/30/2012 10:36:25 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

PING


17 posted on 12/30/2012 11:29:31 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; metmom; ..

Ping to restored thread.


18 posted on 12/30/2012 11:30:29 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney's gift to the country....Boehner bowing to Obama while kicking the Tea Party.)
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To: Williams; Jim Robinson
Rather than destroy Mormonism, the campaign against Mormonism has done much to diminish this site. Sad fact.

The sad fact is that for 180 years mormons have been working to destroy Christianity in order to substitute the polytheistic "man may become god" "the true gospel was removed from the earth" fiction of Joseph Smith.

There are 55,000 mormon missionaries going out every day proclaiming to Christians that their Christian faith is bogus and the only way to salvation is through arcane masonic rituals in mormon temples. The mormon church spends billions of dollars on TV and radio announcements claiming to be "the only true church on the face of the earth" and there are thousands of internet sites claiming the same thing.

Sad fact? The sad fact is that mormonism diminishes everyone who falls for it.

19 posted on 12/30/2012 11:44:19 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney's gift to the country....Boehner bowing to Obama while kicking the Tea Party.)
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To: All
Help me out here:

Was Romney's candidacy part of the White Mule Prophesy (or whatever that nonsense is about), or did he not, in fact, want to win the Election?

20 posted on 12/30/2012 11:46:51 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Happy Rain

Didn’t say “should”. I just think they will be angry at non-Mormons.


21 posted on 12/30/2012 11:47:27 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: greyfoxx39

In the last days, God has gathered the tribe of Ephraim, Joseph’s son through the missionary work since the Restoration. The descendants of Joseph have been given priesthood authority—the only legitimate authority on earth or in heaven.
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Ah no...

The LORD Jesus Christ chose to become a human child as a descendant of Judah not Joseph...

Leah was the mother of Judah...

Her sister Rachel, the mother of Joseph, was not an ancestor of Jesus the man...

David was of the tribe of Judah...from Jacob and Leah..

Jesus is the Lion of Judah..

Jesus is the only One with authority...

any and all Bible believing Christians, male and female, black and white, of any age use the authority that is in the Name of Jesus...

Jesus of the tribe of Judah...


22 posted on 12/30/2012 11:50:06 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: blueunicorn6
This thread was closed by the Mods...

now suddenly it is open again.

Think the LDS has some power here.

Cool.

23 posted on 12/30/2012 11:51:21 AM PST by Happy Rain ("November 6, 2012--the day Joe Smith and Brigham Young finally got their revenge on America.")
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To: 1rudeboy
No, Joe Smith was assassinated by traditional Christians and Brigham Young was required to stop being a fascist pedophile polygamist tyrant in Utah as a condition to joining the Union...

...and the poobahs of the LDS have been pissed ever since for both transgressions.

Mitt Romney was their ultimate revenge.

24 posted on 12/30/2012 11:59:11 AM PST by Happy Rain ("November 6, 2012--the day Joe Smith and Brigham Young finally got their revenge on America.")
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To: greyfoxx39

We will enjoy all the promised blessings if we remain faithful and build Zion with our time, means, service, and prayers. ...Greg West
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and yet Greg, the Mormon king Brigham Young was murdered by his own Mormons...poisoned with arsenic...died a slow agonizing death...took a week to die..

surely that cant be called a “promised blessing”

Young was planning to abdicate and place own of his sons on the throne of the Mormon kingdom in his place thus assuring the reign of his descendants forever...

but he was dispatched hastely by his own homies...

In which areas was Young, the obvious apostate not “faithful” ???

was he bitter, ???

did he sin ???

What evil did he do ???


25 posted on 12/30/2012 12:09:54 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Nice that we were lead to believe we had a CHOICE in the form of Execution for America.

Oh, no, look! It's a giant Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man!

Thanks a pantload, Ray!

The next time somebody asks if you're a God, SAY YES!

26 posted on 12/30/2012 12:17:51 PM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Tennessee Nana

greg did not post any thing on FR


27 posted on 12/30/2012 12:20:21 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Tennessee Nana

So Biggy Young was a white Malcolm X—an abominable monster who caused untold numbers to suffer for a Satanic cult yet was eventually “removed” by the nefarious avarice orthodoxy when he himself saw the light of truth and then tried vainly to repent from his old wicked ways.... ...so we got Mitt Romney.

For the sins of the fools the wise must suffer.


28 posted on 12/30/2012 12:25:34 PM PST by Happy Rain ("November 6, 2012--the day Joe Smith and Brigham Young finally got their revenge on America.")
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To: dragonblustar
Obama Mormon voters?

More than a contradiction in terms with Mittens on the ballot...more like Catholics wiping their dung fouled posteriors with Mother Mary bathroom tissue.

They need look up to deserve being peed down on by Hell slime!

29 posted on 12/30/2012 12:39:07 PM PST by Happy Rain ("November 6, 2012--the day Joe Smith and Brigham Young finally got their revenge on America.")
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To: Happy Rain

No, Joe Smith was killed by his own homies

Freemasons who got their revenge on him when he reneged and told their secrets...

and other Mormons who were mad at him...

he had stolen the wives of at leasty 11 other men who were still alive

He had cheated many Mormons out of their life savings

He had raped the young teenage daughters of Mormons and Christians alike

He had murdered bnon-Mormons for their lands

he had made many people mad at him for other transgressions...

There was plenty of possible reasons he was put down klike the dog he was...

besides the fact he murdered 2 men with a gun during his attempt at a jail break...

He was a fugutive from the law and the authgorities in at least 2 stateers were after him...

pick one any one...

Joey Smith made enemies everywhere he went...

NY, OH, MO, IL

He wasnt the nicest neighbor to anyone Mormon or not...

Plus his one and only LEGAL wife Emma Hale set him up for the years of cheating on her ...


30 posted on 12/30/2012 12:47:48 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Greg is in a cult, hoping to become a god- his rant comes from his satanic desire.

Only a HAteful Bigot would say that - without any proof...


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


31 posted on 12/30/2012 12:49:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

greg west - useful idiot with delusions of adaquacy


32 posted on 12/30/2012 12:50:25 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Williams
Rather than destroy Mormonism, the campaign against Mormonism has done much to diminish this site.

Only in the eyes of deceived MORMONs.

Others relish the FACT that the hellish cult of MORMONism has been more fully exposed and given NATIONAL attention!

33 posted on 12/30/2012 12:52:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

Why would I want to vote for a guy who wants to be the god of his own planet? Being Prez is just one step away from that goal. Hey, Greg! How would you like it if Romney was the god of Earth? He probably wouldn’t really want it just like he didn’t really want to be Prez.


34 posted on 12/30/2012 12:52:47 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dragonblustar
This whole Romney run for the president was just another attempt at attacking Christianity.P>

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

November 8, 2012

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!
 
I must apologize and ask for forgiveness from you all.
 
As you know, we at Headquarters NEVER tell you pew warmers how to vote. It says so right in our press releases. Anyway, we were ALL thrilled to the max when there were two – TWO! – MORMONs being touted in the primaries: Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman.
 
Talk in our upper chambers high above SLC was how our gods were favoring us with these men; who had prepared their entire lives for an opportunity to save this Nation; which so badly needs guidance: OUR guidance even! So naturally, I and the other twelve analyzed and discussed the situation.
 
Consensus was that the voters should listen to the inner urging and vote for the one they wanted; but that seemed to be leaving WAY too much to chance.
 
I decided, that since I am the ONLY man on earth that can hear GOD’s voice, that I would pray for wisdom and clarity in the matter.
 
I hadn’t used the fleece in a while, so I questioned GOD with a test. A paper, with Romney on one side and Huntsman on the other was to be placed by the air conditioning vent high above my desk in the sumptuous office the Full Tithers have provided.
When the air would kick in later in the evening, while I was home, the paper would be blown down and whomever GOD wanted would then be visible on the upper surface.
 
As you can probably guess, when I came in the next day, the paper had landed on my desk, with Mitt’s name on top.
Last night, I was staying late, praying to GOD about how it was even possible that Mitt lost, when the janitorial cleaning crew came in. Being surprised to find me here, they apologized for interrupting me. I said to them, “It mattereth not, as I was about to leave anyway.”
 
As I was going out the door, the foreman of the crew just happened to mention that my office is ALWAYS so neat and tiny, never anything out of place, that they barely have to do anything to tidy up. Then one of the sweepers said, “Except that time in the spring when we came in to clean and found a paper with Huntman’s name on the floor by your desk. We put it back on your desk and left.
 
 
Tommy M.
 
PS Keep praying that Huntsman will add an “H” to his name. Jon looks so dang effeminate!
 
Onward to 2016!!!

35 posted on 12/30/2012 12:53:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana; restornu; Saundra Duffy
After this introduction, the anti-Mormon “ping list” gets activated to invite Elsie, svcw, Zakeet, Tennessee Nana, aMorePerfectUnion, Godzilla, fishtank, metmom, and others to the thread

Resty, Sandy...

You girls need to call upon YOUR LDS list to get the other side's view represented.

I'd use your list, Resty, but a couple of them on it get REALLY testy being pinged by me.

36 posted on 12/30/2012 12:56:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Happy Rain
No, Joe Smith was assassinated by traditional Christians...

Oh?

JS had a GUN and he USED it.

37 posted on 12/30/2012 12:58:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlueMoose
greg did not post any thing on FR

Lately...

38 posted on 12/30/2012 12:59:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 1rudeboy

“Was Romney’s candidacy part of the White Mule Prophesy (or whatever that nonsense is about), or did he not, in fact, want to win the Election?”

No, no, no! It is called the White Donkey Prophesy. A Whitey McCracker-Honkey from the Mormon faith dresses like a Conservative but openly admits he’s a Progressive (aka Leftist, Liberal, Socialist, Commie, etc.) that everyone seems to ignore while on the run for Prez. By losing he garners another big win for Progressivism!


39 posted on 12/30/2012 12:59:32 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: 1rudeboy

“Was Romney’s candidacy part of the White Mule Prophesy (or whatever that nonsense is about), or did he not, in fact, want to win the Election?”

No, no, no! It is called the White Donkey Prophesy. A Whitey McCracker-Honkey from the Mormon faith dresses like a Conservative but openly admits he’s a Progressive (aka Leftist, Democrat, Liberal, Socialist, Commie, etc.) that everyone seems to ignore while on the run for Prez. By losing he garners another big win for Progressivism!


40 posted on 12/30/2012 12:59:57 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Happy Rain
("November 6, 2012--the day Joe Smith and Brigham Young finally got their revenge on America.")



...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.

41 posted on 12/30/2012 1:01:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
besides the fact he murdered 2 men with a gun during his attempt at a jail break...


 
 

JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....

42 posted on 12/30/2012 1:03:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Plus his one and only LEGAL wife Emma Hale set him up for the years of cheating on her ...


43 posted on 12/30/2012 1:04:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Plus his one and only LEGAL wife Emma Hale set him up for the years of cheating on her ...

 
 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice
 
 
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon. At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma). In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
 
 
Wow!!
 
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!



44 posted on 12/30/2012 1:05:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Williams
Nice try slick. Tell you what, you have a group attack and defame your Savior and faith with their very doctrine, to the point of it being fiction and lunacy and tell me that you, who had been directed by that very Savior to defend the faith, would sit back and say nothing and I will show you the definition of a person who lacks the courage of their convictions, as sadly more and more Christian do toady.

As far as the effects on this site, the Mormons a left primarily ranting amongst themselves. we claim at leas 3-5 souls saved and many more given pause and starting to question. I know of no Mormon converts on FR who joined because of their activities.

If the truth diminished FreeRepublic then the site would be as worthless as the DU. Since FR stands for the truth its dissenters have also gone off to sulk among themselves on a myriad of other ranting forums.

Obviously FR has some value to you, you are still here...

45 posted on 12/30/2012 1:07:44 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: greyfoxx39

BTW I just want to say Hi Greg, cool rant buddy. But why does my name not have a hyperlink on your little enemies list. Is it done by quantity of posts?


46 posted on 12/30/2012 1:09:53 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22; Jim Robinson

Ping to #45

Thank you, Jim, for FREE Republic!


47 posted on 12/30/2012 1:10:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Happy Rain

ah, No Smith was shot while trying to break out of jail, after guns were smuggled to him and he killed two guards.
You do know why Smith was in jail - right?
polygamy, destruction of private property, burning down newspapers, bank fraud, adultery, polygamy, pedophilia, rapes, thievery, cons, delinquent debt.....treason.


48 posted on 12/30/2012 1:11:20 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ejonesie22

OOOOOOH!!

Do I have one???


49 posted on 12/30/2012 1:11:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Happy Rain
Hey, they sided with the Nazis, so they have had some practice...
50 posted on 12/30/2012 1:14:41 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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