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To: campaignPete R-CT
>> you might be told that Francis of Assisi (1181-1226) was more of a charismatic pentecostal which is why the Catholics gave him such a hard time at first. And that if he prayed a bit more, he would have become the first Baptist. <<

1) Well, which it is? Charismatic Pentecostal or Baptist? Those are two very different Christian traditions. Charismatic/Pentecostal was formally organized around the early 1960s, and Baptists around 1609. If it's the former, that wouldn't be an issue, since the charismatic movement overlaps Christian denominations and is accepted within Catholicism. That St. Francis of Assini might have been a charismatic before they were formally organized didn't make him any less of a Catholic.

2) Bringing up one person doesn't address the poster's original comments, that "Catholicism" ITSELF (the faith a whole, rather than say, for example "Catholic leaders are not the way to salvation") is not the way to God the Father or Jesus. If we go by her premise, then NOBODY on earth had the "way to Jesus" until Protestants (which according to her, are the ONLY "Christians") show up in the 1600s. True, there non-Catholics around before the 1600s, such as Orthodox Christians, but presumably they "don't know Jesus" either, since they hold same beliefs that cause her to reject Catholicism.

46 posted on 12/29/2012 6:05:38 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

The Azusa Street Revival - Birth of the Pentecostal Movement

The Azusa Street Revival was a historic Pentecostal revival meeting that took place in Los Angeles, California and is the origin of the Pentecostal movement.
It was led by William J. Seymour, an African American preacher. It began with a meeting on April 14, 1906, and continued until roughly 1915.
Today, the revival is considered by historians to be the primary catalyst for the spread of Pentecostalism in the 20th century.


47 posted on 12/29/2012 6:31:51 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: BillyBoy

If the original poster has concluded that the Church Fathers were not church fathers ... well, I’ve got no answers for her/him ...

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/church_fathers.htm


50 posted on 12/29/2012 7:40:56 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigned for local conservatives only)
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To: BillyBoy

Mainstream Protestantism does not reject Catholicism nor Orthodoxy. There are some outlier Baptist and charismatics who seemed to have picked up issues, but even the SBC actively participates in ecumenical organizations with Catholics ad fellow Christians. I myself have been both Methodist and Orthodox and moved between the two with nary a look nor did I burst into flames. In fact the Orthodox Church took my Methodist Baptism for membership.


54 posted on 12/29/2012 9:29:41 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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