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Mormons in Mourning: Post Election Depression
A Well-Behaved Mormon Woman ^ | November 2, 2012 | Kathryn Skaggs

Posted on 12/29/2012 9:10:37 AM PST by greyfoxx39

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To: Bikkuri

Same to you and yours..........I am going with, this will be a good year!
;-)


101 posted on 12/30/2012 2:16:23 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: stuartcr

You are a delight...

However I must be modest, your responses are easy to follow. They are very much along the same line day in and day out and being void of much substance and usually not bearing on the subject of the given thread where you post them so they not only stick out but are easy to recall...

I have hopes at some point you will enlighten us upon this great insight and knowledge that you seem to think we who stand for what we believe lack...


102 posted on 12/30/2012 2:38:27 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

Will do...as soon as you are deemed worthy.

Keep up the good work, and please continue with your scathingly painful insights.

Happy New Year


103 posted on 12/30/2012 2:41:53 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: greyfoxx39
>> Give us an example of the percentages of "self-proclaimed Christians" vs the "superior moral mormons" that you personally know, along with a description of the location in which you are finding these examples. Thanks. <<

Personally know? I'm in Illinois. Mormons are about 1% of the population here. The ones I've met are all pretty decent people. I can give you plenty of data showing the "average" Mormon adheres to morality better than the "average" Christian in America. This does not excuse their wacky church doctrines, it simply shows Catholics and Protestants need to practice what they preach. I've met plenty of Catholics and Protestants who could care less what their church teaches. There are a couple of Mormons who defy their church doctrines (Mitt Romney being the most obvious example when he was pro-abortion and pro-gay), but I've met far more Catholics and Protestants who claim to be "good Christians" and support crap like homo marriage.

Do you deny this data?

Mormon Statistics

SEXUAL ATTITUDES. A greater percentage of Latter-day Saints disapprove of premarital sex, extramarital sex, and homosexuality than any other religious group. 58 percent of the Latter-day Saints said that premarital sex is always wrong, compared with 34 percent of Protestants and 25 percent of Catholics. About three-fourths of Protestants and more than two-thirds of Catholics said that extramarital sex and homosexuality are always wrong, compared to 90 percent of Latter-day Saints. (See Teachings About Sexuality home page)

SUBSTANCE USE. LDS doctrine prohibits the use of alcohol, tobacco, and other addictive drugs. Among adults and adolescents, usage rates are considerably lower among Latter-day Saints than among other religious groups. Only 28 percent of adult Latter-day Saints say they drink alcohol, compared with 65 percent of Protestants, 85 percent of Catholics, and 86 percent of Jews. Fourteen percent say they smoke tobacco, compared with 36 percent of Protestants, 38 percent of Catholics, and 28 percent of Jews.

ABORTION. Jews are the most accepting of abortion, while Latter-day Saints are the least accepting. Less than one-fourth of Latter-day Saints favor abortion if the reasons are lack of money, being unmarried, or not desiring the child. The next-closest group is the Catholics, and more than one-third of them favor abortion in the above-stated circumstances. Sixty-seven percent of Latter-day Saints favor abortion if the fetus is deformed, compared with 74 percent of Catholics and 96 percent of Jews. Almost 90 percent of Latter-day Saints favor abortion if the health of the mother is endangered by the pregnancy. This percentage is similar to most other religious groups, although Jews and those with no religion have percentages of 97 and 95, respectively.

104 posted on 12/30/2012 5:06:22 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: stuartcr
Why?

Uh...

...because 'GREG' sounds like a 'him' and a 'he' to me?

105 posted on 12/30/2012 7:17:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BillyBoy
I can give you plenty of data showing the "average" Mormon adheres to morality better than the "average" Christian in America.

Let me go out on a limb and predict that MORE data points will be coming your direction soon...

106 posted on 12/30/2012 7:19:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BillyBoy
Only 28 percent of adult Latter-day Saints say they drink alcohol...

Here is one of the 72% that claimed he DIDN'T...

http://www.ldsmag.com/blogs/editors-blogs/thoughts-on-senator-crapo-drunk-driving-and-critics-of-mormonism

http://www.google.com/search?q=crapo+drunk&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475

107 posted on 12/30/2012 7:24:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Your boys won again...Heaven in Indiana! That 101 yard touchdown return was fab....

Now tonight RGlll is doing it to Dallas. Love it when a conservative is at the helm!


108 posted on 12/30/2012 7:56:35 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Elsie

Ok thanks. Sometimes I don’t know what you’re talking about.


109 posted on 12/31/2012 3:55:21 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Elsie

Ok thanks. Sometimes I don’t know what you’re talking about.


110 posted on 12/31/2012 3:55:42 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr
Sometimes I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Not to worry; for sometimes I re-read what I typed a day earlier and have no idea either!

111 posted on 12/31/2012 7:13:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

nice


112 posted on 12/31/2012 7:18:47 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Utah Binger
That 101 yard touchdown return was fab....

And I MISSED it!

The wifey and I were watching on the big screen downstairs, when I came upstairs to get on the computer. You KNOW how time flies when yer on FR, and I had failed to turn on the tv up here until that play had passed me by.

Them boys are tough - rough and play for keeps in the big leagues, but I really enjoyed seeing grown men hugging the coach, especially from the opposing team; giving the love to Chuck upon his return to the game.

May he stay in remission.

113 posted on 12/31/2012 7:19:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stuartcr
("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")

Likewise...

TIME is Mother Nature's way of making sure that everything doesn't happen at once.

114 posted on 12/31/2012 7:21:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

true dat


115 posted on 12/31/2012 7:30:54 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: BillyBoy; Jim Robinson
I can give you plenty of data showing the "average" Mormon adheres to morality better than the "average" Christian in America.

How many pentecostal/evangelical Christians have you "met"? Your source for the above claim is (surprise) a mormon website. I suggest that you do some checking around and present an unbiased Christian/mormon comparison of "being moral".

I find it hilarious that mormonism defenders sooner or later resort to bashing Christians on FR and also claim mormon superiority over Christians.

116 posted on 12/31/2012 9:35:49 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney's gift to the country....Boehner bowing to Obama while kicking the Tea Party.)
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To: greyfoxx39
>> How many pentecostal/evangelical Christians have you "met"? <<

I said Christians as a WHOLE, not "pentecostal/evangelical Christians". What is it with the "born again" crowd on FR thinking THEY speak for all "Christians" in the world? They're actually a small minority of Christians in America, and an even smaller percentage worldwide.

>> I find it hilarious that mormonism defenders sooner or later resort to bashing Christians on FR <<

I am a Christian, your post makes as much sense as saying "I see the defenders of women on FR sooner or later resort to bashing bashing men". You can scream "Mormon defender" at me all you want, I've said Mormonism is a wacko cult about 20 times so I'm pretty sure the Mormons wouldn't want to have me as their defender. All I mentioned is there's far more Christians who fail to practice what they preach than Mormons. If you think that's "Christian bashing" as a whole, take it up with "Christians" like Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Jimmy Carter. I'm not going to pretend the fact they're self-described "practicing Christians" makes them morally superior to Mormons. There's lots of phony Christians in America, which you "born again" types evidently ignore think you think nobody is "Christian" but yourselves. and also claim mormon superiority over Christians.

117 posted on 12/31/2012 10:33:24 AM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Elsie
>> Doncha wish that 'good behaviour' was the criteria for getting into heaven!! <<

It is a major component of the criteria for getting into heaven for Catholic and Orthodox Christians, who make up the majority of Christians in the world. (roughly 1.4 billion Catholic & Orthodox, vs. 600 million protestants, and the "evangelical" crowd is only a small percentage within those protestants)

119 posted on 12/31/2012 10:45:10 AM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; Jim Robinson
I said Christians as a WHOLE, not "pentecostal/evangelical Christians".

Oh...so the mormons who are less than 3% of the population are touted as being morally superior over ALL Christians while at the same time the Pentecostal/Evangelicals are NOT treated as a sub group of the Christians that are being bashed.

They're actually a small minority of Christians in America, and an even smaller percentage worldwide.

I see...the minimal mormon minority is "special" but a minority of Christians who lead their lives in a moral manner are lumped in with the liberals in order to give a false picture. Cherry pick much?

BTW, the Pentecostal group is growing at a much faster rate than is the mormon, and the Pentecostals don't fudge their numbers by counting babies, inactives and inactives under the age of 110 as do the mormons. But I guess "lyin for the lord" about numbers is "morally superior", right?

This comment by you, "There's lots of phony Christians in America, which you "born again" types evidently ignore think you think nobody is "Christian" but yourselves. is waving a red flag on this Pro-God, Pro Christian website. We consider many, many Catholics, Protestants and non-affiliateds Christian, that is the ones who do not believe that "man may become god" and that "Jesus had to work His way up through manmade rituals.

120 posted on 12/31/2012 11:25:18 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney's gift to the country....Boehner bowing to Obama while kicking the Tea Party.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I find it hilarious that mormonism defenders sooner or later resort to bashing Christians on FR and also claim mormon superiority over Christians.

And they seem to NEVER address the FACTS that are tossed in their faces; as in reply numbers #36 and #38.

121 posted on 12/31/2012 12:51:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BillyBoy

Now you’ve upset the C and O’s and they’ll highjack yet another thread that started to illustrate the HERESY of MORMONism.


122 posted on 12/31/2012 12:53:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BillyBoy

Statistics in Utah still reflect a depressive, judgmental, suppressive, negative social atmosphere of control. The prevalence of poor mental health: 41.4% 1st of 50 states, Birthrate per 1,000: 21.2 1st of 50, Physical exercise: 83.1% 2nd of 52 (US Census 2004-2009).


CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT

In 2005, Utah had 32,203 total referrals for child abuse and neglect. Of those, 21,052 reports were referred for investigation. 7
In 2005, 8,173 children were substantiated or indicated as abused or neglected in Utah, a rate of 17.7 per 1,000 children, and representing a 3.4% decrease from 2004. Of these children, 20.7% were neglected, 14.7% were physically abused, and 19.3% were sexually abused. 8
In 2005, 10 children died as a result of abuse or neglect in Utah. 9
In 2005, 2,285 children in Utah lived apart from their families in out-of-home care, compared with 2,108 children in 2004. In 2005, 22.5% of the children living apart from their families were age 5 or younger, and 27.4% were 16 or older. 10
Of the children in out-of-home care in 2005, 63.5% were white, 4.7% black, 22.5% Hispanic, 5.7% American Indian/Alaskan Native, and 3.5% children of other races and ethnicities. 11

Divorces per 1,000 Population Utah-4.60 MA-2.40 NY -3.20 NJ-3.0

Murder per 100,000 Pop. Utah-3.90 NH-1.70 IO-1.70 ND-0.90

Rape per 100,000 Pop. Utah-42.70 NY -23.70 CA-33.40 VA-27.20

*Source US Census Bureau

Salt Lake Tribune, Nov 23, 1998—A9

FBI Report: Crime Falls Nationally, But Climbs Again in Utah

As the nation celebrates a six-year decrease in serious crime, Utah’s crime rate went up—again.

An FBI report released Sunday showed that serious violent and property crimes went down 3 percent nationally. But crime in Utah went up 3.8 percent in 1997, continuing a four-year-trend.

Not only is the state’s crime rate climbing, but more Utahns on average are victims of crime.

Nationally, an average of 4,923 out of 100,000 are affected by crime. In Utah, the number is 5,661 people— 13 percent higher than the national rate.

Utah was one of 15 states whose crime rates increased in 1997.

In Salt lake City, 11,969 people out of 100,000 were victims of crime in 1997.

Salt lake Tribune, Feb 17, 2004
“...The 2004 Utah Domestic Violence Annual Report, created by the state Domestic Violence Cabinet Council...In 2001, the report notes, Utah’s rate of females murdered by males in one-on-one incidents was 23% higher than the corresponding national rate.”

Utah: Salt Lake City

Nearly half of the 131 women killed between 1994 and 1999 in Utah were slain by husbands or boyfriends, according to a report released by state health department officials. They urged judges, prosecutors and clergy to pay more attention to the signs of domestic violence and to intervene before it escalates. USA Today

Utah Rape Statistics—2003

Rape Crime in Utah Well Above National Average

A federal report shows that one in five adult women in Utah—or a total of 157,000 women in the state—has been forcibly raped at least once in her lifetime. The report comes from the South Carolina-based National Violence Against Women Prevention Research Center, giving Utah the top spot in the continental United States for its estimated percentage of rape victims. “Our findings clearly demonstrate the fact that Utah has a substantial rape problem,” said the report from the research group, which was established and is partly funded by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Utah has highest rate of “Food Insecurity”
Child poverty rate up
Utah leads nation in bankruptcy

Salt Lake Tribune
11-24-03


Do you need more evidence your assumption is wrong?


123 posted on 12/31/2012 2:42:43 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: greyfoxx39

What just is a “born again” type?
Either you are born again or you are not - it’s really that simple.


124 posted on 12/31/2012 2:47:29 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

Thanks for the good post, svcw.


125 posted on 12/31/2012 3:17:22 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney's gift to the country....Boehner bowing to Obama while kicking the Tea Party.)
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To: svcw
Marvel not...
126 posted on 01/01/2013 3:26:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
HEBREWS 11:3

I post these graphics because:

(1) I have heard what former ldsers and what well-read researchers have said about lds beliefs., i.e. the lds believes that God did not create everything out of nothing.

(2) I have had CURRENT lds people tell me that what I am saying is true, but that I shouldn't say it, because they feel uncomfortable about discussing the issue and its implications.

(3) I believe that God's WORD is living and eternal and that He can use it to scrape away false doctrines from the souls of people.

(4) I post these because the false doctrines of human pre-existence and of eternal marriage are FALSE. They are useful hooks to get people to stay in the lds, but those doctrines are USELESS.

Why?

(A.) They diminish the creative power of God, that He created our spirits out of nothing, and

(B.) the eternal marriage doctrine defames and contradicts the teaching that Christians WILL be married in eternity. We will be married to Christ .... but NOT to each other.

127 posted on 01/03/2013 12:59:50 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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