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Anglican Head Rowan Williams Backs Gun Control in US
The Christian Post ^ | 12-23-12 | Anugrah Kumar

Posted on 12/26/2012 4:26:34 PM PST by ReformationFan

The outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, talked about the recent Sandy Hook shooting in Newtown, Conn., discounting the argument put forward, including by many Christians in the United States, that "it's not guns that kill, it's people."

"People use guns. But in a sense guns use people, too. When we have the technology for violence easily to hand, our choices are skewed and we are more vulnerable to being manipulated into violent action," the leader of the world's 80 million-strong Anglican Communion said, delivering BBC Radio 4's "Thought for the Day" on Saturday.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: anglican; banglist; coe; formerlygreatbritain; guncontrol; rowanwilliams; secondamendment
After the terrific job he did with the Church of England, of course I will follow Rowan Williams' brilliance on the issue of gun control/sarc
1 posted on 12/26/2012 4:26:50 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

And I support the public tar and feathering of the outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury.


2 posted on 12/26/2012 4:30:50 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ReformationFan
When we have the technology for violence easily to hand,

Because fertilizer and fuel oil can't kill more people much easier.

He ain't no Jesuit.

/johnny

3 posted on 12/26/2012 4:31:30 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ReformationFan

Stuff it, Redcoat.


4 posted on 12/26/2012 4:33:33 PM PST by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: ReformationFan

People in the UK would pay no more attention to the CoE than Americans do if it weren’t for complaining about the costs. The arch-shaman needs to remind people he is still there. He won’t accept that his chief job is to serve as a mascot and period character at tourist attractions like Canterbury Cathedral, something like the Mickey people at Disney World.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 4:41:51 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: Third Person

Perhaps he and his fellow redcoat Piers Morgan can form their own country somewhere?


6 posted on 12/26/2012 4:42:32 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

This is the fool that also advocates accommodating sharia law. What has happened to the UK?


7 posted on 12/26/2012 4:44:59 PM PST by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: ReformationFan

Well, I back Rowan Williams control in England, so there :P


8 posted on 12/26/2012 4:46:38 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ReformationFan

Perhaps the Church of England should consider burning the heretic witch, Dr. Rowan Martin, at the stake like was done in the old days? Or, better, turn him over to the Muslims for Sharia “justice” that’s all the rage in the UK judicial and elite circles these days. Just a thought.


9 posted on 12/26/2012 4:47:43 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: ReformationFan

Come and take them, Limey.


10 posted on 12/26/2012 4:48:18 PM PST by Argus
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To: ReformationFan

Hey, there is reason we shot their sorry bums, enlisted all the help we could get, and kicked them out of the Colonies.


11 posted on 12/26/2012 4:50:06 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: ReformationFan

“shove it, brit.”


12 posted on 12/26/2012 4:50:27 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: atomic conspiracy

LOL - *ouch*


13 posted on 12/26/2012 4:51:09 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: ReformationFan

Sorry a**holes, we have the 2nd amendment and no ex post facto laws. The hundreds of millions of guns we already have aren’t going anywhere - mine certainly aren’t.


14 posted on 12/26/2012 4:53:11 PM PST by youngidiot (God help us.)
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To: ReformationFan
" . . . being manipulated into violent action, . . ."

Arguable. Many would say, including myself, that bullets are quicker, cleaner, and more humane than any other kind of violence designed to separate the body from the soul.

Certainly a helluva less traumatic and less violent than the bathing of the blood and guts of the victims the crazies bathe themselves in the during the execuation of their ritualistic mayhem while muttering some stupid mantra to their dog that removes their consciences from the act they are performing.

15 posted on 12/26/2012 4:55:16 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: ReformationFan
"People use guns. But in a sense guns use people, too. When we have the technology for violence easily to hand, our choices are skewed and we are more vulnerable to being manipulated into violent action,"

So guns can manipulate people? As a side note I've been to Canterbury and heard a Williams' Christmas Day sermon. Jesus was mentioned maybe once. The whole sermon was man-centered liberal feel-good nonsense. I was astounded how on Christmas Day he could avoid the name Jesus.

16 posted on 12/26/2012 5:00:40 PM PST by plain talk
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“I was astounded how on Christmas Day he could avoid the name Jesus.”

It’s amazing how many liberals(including liberal clergymen) do.


17 posted on 12/26/2012 5:03:09 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Probably he would think that the guns should be condemned to Hell—if he believed in Hell.


18 posted on 12/26/2012 5:13:33 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ReformationFan
I wonder what foreign entity or person Adam Lanza bent over backwards to protect by destroying (allegedly) his computer hard drive? 9/11 was a mission perpetrated by American residents and masterminded by a man in Afghanistan. Who and where is Sandy Hook's mastermind? Hmmm?

Very odd that it turns out Nancy Lanza had no connection whatsoever to Sandy Hook elementary school, WE WERE REPEATED TOLD BY MULTIPLE NEWS OUTLETS that Adam killed those children 'probably because his mother loved those kids more than him'.

But..

"Despite earlier reports that Nancy Lanza, mother of shooter Adam Lanza, was a teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary School, new details are emerging that suggest otherwise. CNN, The Wall Street Journal, and several other news outlets are reporting now that Nancy Lanza may not have had any connection to the school where the shootings took place. Janet Vollmer, a kindergarten teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary, told CNN that Lanza was not a teacher there. Lillian Bittman, a former school board official, said “no one has heard” of Lanza and that “teachers don’t know her.” Talking Points Memo reports that Lanza is not listed on the Newton School District Website. TPM also notes the origin of the misinformation may have been an AP story which quoted law enforcement officials “speaking on the condition of anonymity” about Lanza’s possible connection to school."

Question: What type of massacre would result in maximum outrage by the populus against guns and gun owners and even convert some gun owners into being anti-gun?
Answer: A mass murder of young children in a school classroom.

Could the motive of the Sandy Hook killings been to evoke maximum outrage against guns and gun owners for the purpose of GOVERNMENT JUSTIFICATION FOR a gun ban in the United States? Could this massacre have had nothing to do with 'revenge' or anger? Why would the killer resort to going to a school and killing children because he was "angry about being committed to a mental hospital?"

And here's more food for thought, regarding this incident:

http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Official-story-spins-out-of-control

19 posted on 12/26/2012 5:19:37 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: ReformationFan

Dear Rowan. Please shut up and retire — and then go off and die somewhere quickly. What a loser!


20 posted on 12/26/2012 5:21:39 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: ReformationFan

Far too many of these supposedly Christian leaders are absolute idiots when it comes to stuff like gun control and social justice issues. All too often they align themselves with the secular socialist left...and then wonder why Western Christianity is under constant attack (by the very same liberal politicians they keep supporting).


21 posted on 12/26/2012 5:23:07 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: ReformationFan

Again, let me suggest that on Williams departure from his current job, he return to his first love, moving to Stonehenge and running around naked in the local forest with flowers in his hair. In winter he can don a body suit made from the pelts of a hundred grey squirrels, subsisting on rabbit pasties and rainwater.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 5:24:03 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: ReformationFan

And if England had passed tougher gun control laws Thomas Becket would not have been killed!

Oh, wait!


23 posted on 12/26/2012 5:26:46 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Enten
What has happened to the UK?

I was just watching some Youtube clips. Woody Allen had a tête-à-tête as it were, with WF Buckley circa late 1967/early 1968.

Buckley made a reference comparing liberalism and LBJ to a some [forgotten] woman that went something like "she helped bring socialism to Britain after WWII, then prompted abandoned the resulting ashes for France."

So-called "elitism" at work.

24 posted on 12/26/2012 5:30:42 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

“Socialism is workable only in heaven where it isn’t needed, and in hell where they’ve got it”.-Sir Winston Churchill


25 posted on 12/26/2012 5:43:33 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

If I’m not mistaken, he is also a “queer” friendly sponsor within the church.


26 posted on 12/26/2012 6:04:28 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Save the nation, have your family's progressives spayed or neutered.)
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To: ReformationFan

So we’re obligated to respond to the verbal chirping of effeminate human figurines overseas now?


27 posted on 12/26/2012 7:22:28 PM PST by lurk
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To: ReformationFan

What is it about these religious/scientist/academic/showbiz types thinking that a modicum of talent and moderate expertise in their one little narrow discipline automatically carries over to any other subject matter they’d care to tackle...?

And that we, the great unwashed, hang with bated breath upon every golden word that issues forth from their actually ignoramus cake holes...?

Example: The recent “Demand A Plan” on YouTube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OayyLQi6vE&sns=em

Pampered “celebrities” who, each and every one, have and do presently make a lavish living acting in or producing the most violent, blood and gore, slash and shoot-’em-up “films” imaginable, and then have the gall to demand in turn that we produce a plan to end violence...

And imagine further, the “plan” these hypocrits “demand” mostly involves all of the rest of us disarming...

While they will continue as before, living secure in their gated communities, and traveling with an entourage of armed bodyguards...

The rest of us should demand that these “celebrities” and “experts” all STFU!


28 posted on 12/26/2012 8:53:59 PM PST by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: ReformationFan; driftdiver
When we have the technology for violence easily to hand, our choices are skewed and we are more vulnerable to being manipulated into violent action,

Rowan makes two mistakes:

  1. This then outlaws the "technology" of martial arts and boxing and also not only knives but even sticks or stones or bricks. It also means that a big guy like me should be "outlawed" too
  2. In a no-guns society, the ones with the guns are criminals. in a free-gun society, the criminals will be wary because good people can fire back...

29 posted on 12/27/2012 3:37:22 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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