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The Church of England Still Won't Allow Female Bishops: Good for Them
Virtue Online ^ | 11-21-12 | Mollie Z. Hemingway

Posted on 11/23/2012 3:21:47 PM PST by ReformationFan

"When the Church of England narrowly defeated a measure to allow women to be appointed bishops this week after a dozen years of legislative effort, many observers were surprised. After all, the group has ordained women as priests since 1994-what's the big deal with letting female priests become bishops?

The answer helps explain why the measure failed. The Church of England is known for the graciousness with which it accommodates minority theological opinions. Since the 1990s, parties that disagreed about female ordination merely had to tolerate each other's presence. Female bishops, on the other hand, would hold significant ecclesial and sacramental authority over everyone in the church, even over the minority who believe that female ordination is a theological impossibility. Mere toleration would no longer be possible.

Legislation in support of women bishops was debated by the church this summer, with a focus on whether to protect that group that views female ordination as invalid. Bishops asked members to trust that the Church would respect opponents of the change, even while some proponents of the legislation opposed protections. Traditionalists and their sympathizers doubted these pledges, remembering that promises made to opponents of female ordination in the 1990s were subsequently broken: They were told that there would be no damage to the careers of clergy who viewed female ordination as invalid, for instance. A simple look at the vote in the House of Bishops this week (44 for, 3 opposed) tells a different story."

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TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: anglican; bishops; coe; female
"Some MPs insist that they will move forward with legislative penalties against the church if the situation is not rectified to the state's satisfaction."

A most disturbing quote if ever there was one. Ever heard of this thing known as religious liberty?

1 posted on 11/23/2012 3:21:58 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

The church and church leaders were all for it.

The laity nixed it.


2 posted on 11/23/2012 3:26:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ReformationFan
The incoming Archbishop of Canterbury says he expects to "consecrate" a female bishop notwithstanding the vote.



Keep Faith with the Fallen of Benghazi! Let the Obama Regime, for once, tell the Truth!

Fiat Justitia, Ruat Coelum!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

3 posted on 11/23/2012 3:35:37 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ReformationFan

The church is dying in England. Very few even bother to attend anymore. They have adopted all kinds of liberal/anti-biblical views. I am glad that the few who attend have put their foot down.


4 posted on 11/23/2012 3:48:52 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: ReformationFan
Ever heard of this thing known as religious liberty?

Religious liberty is a nonexistent concept in a state run church with a secular monarch serving as the CEO.

5 posted on 11/23/2012 3:54:43 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Truth. That’s why the original meaning of the term “Separation of Church and State” was and is a good thing.


6 posted on 11/23/2012 4:01:22 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

It’s a state religion. You take the good with the bad. If you’re going to get government funding for your religion, you can’t really bitch when they want to regulate it.


7 posted on 11/23/2012 4:06:02 PM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: ReformationFan

The First Archbishop of the Church of England was my ancestor. At that time, priests couldn’t marry. He had married in Germany, so he carted her around in a trunk/wardrobe. Eventually, the church accepted priestly marriage. I think it is time they moved into the 20th century and recognized the equality of women by supporting them as bishops. Otherwise, they are only a couple of steps above the Taliban in institutionalizing an inferior status to women.


8 posted on 11/23/2012 4:15:12 PM PST by marsh2
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To: marsh2

equality of women

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Men and women are not equal.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 4:28:13 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: ReformationFan

I thought I read an article saying they would.


10 posted on 11/23/2012 4:46:59 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: marsh2

Is it correct to make an assumption that laity are inferior to clergy in holiness or worth in the eyes of God? I wouldn’t think so.


11 posted on 11/23/2012 5:41:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: marsh2
they are only a couple of steps above the Taliban in institutionalizing an inferior status to women.

An argument frequently offered by obtuse emoters.

12 posted on 11/24/2012 1:45:54 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My response would be what the apostle Paul said in Galations about in Christ that there is “no male or female”.


13 posted on 11/24/2012 2:49:16 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marsh2

“I think it is time they moved into the 20th century and recognized the equality of women by supporting them as bishops. Otherwise, they are only a couple of steps above the Taliban in institutionalizing an inferior status to women.”

That statement carries an implication that Jesus was imperfect in his understanding of the priesthood, or the implications of only selecting men in His time on Earth. 2,000 years ago Christ already knew that someday women would be 59% of the college classes in this new country called the United States, that they would be permitted to/praised for murdering their babies with vacuums and saline injections that burn them to death, and they would more or less have social parity with men; He still chose to do as He did, and He is the Son of God. Today all kinds of media specials seek to dilute His teaching; those with faith see through them, and those seeking vindication for heretical views select those “interpretations” that fit their needs to do so. Years after the author of “The DaVinci Code” admitted it was fiction, I still have ignorant/evil people using it to justify the most outlandish attacks against Christianity.


14 posted on 11/24/2012 5:54:09 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ReformationFan

The Church of England will be commanded by politicians to ordain bishopettes, and they will do it.

Finally revealing, in a definitive way, that their “branch of the church catholic” claim is a bald faced lie.


15 posted on 11/24/2012 5:57:04 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: GeronL

“The church and church leaders were all for it. The laity nixed it.”

Interesting; I see the Catholic laiety as the future of our Church as well.


16 posted on 11/24/2012 5:57:24 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Biggirl
This ("no male or female" in Galatians) points to our spiritual equality: how God sees us as persons.

It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with roles or functions. Gender (male or female) makes a difference in marriage, because marriage needs one of each. Gender difference also makes a difference in the priesthod, because marriage is "a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." (Ephesians 5:32). So the priest, who represents Christ, is symbolically male; the Church is symbolically female.

Not entirely explicable in human terms: hence the word "mystery."

17 posted on 11/24/2012 7:12:50 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Which in the end leads to the dignity that is given to both men and women, be it marriage, the priesthood/religious life, and for those who are neither, but are call in a special way, single in the world.


18 posted on 11/24/2012 7:23:26 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Yes, that’s very true. I love St. Paul’s doctrine of the “Mystical Body of Christ” for that reason: we’re all like cells, tissues, organs, limbs and systems of His Body, and we are all part of His great work, all quite different, and all in ways known only to Him.


19 posted on 11/24/2012 7:30:39 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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