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Church of England Will Have Women Bishops: New Anglican Head
Reuters ^ | 11/22/12 | Joe Brock

Posted on 11/22/2012 6:27:59 PM PST by marshmallow

(Reuters) - The next archbishop of Canterbury is confident he will consecrate a female bishop, he said on Thursday, two days after the Church of England voted against allowing women to become bishops.

Bishops and clergy on Tuesday in the General Synod, the Church legislature, comfortably backed the change but lay members were four votes short of a two-thirds majority.

"Its clear that woman are going to be bishops in the Church of England," said Justin Welby, who will take over from Rowan Williams as the spiritual leader of the Anglican wing of world Christianity at the end of the year.

"It was a pretty grim day for the whole church. There is a lot to be done but I am absolutely confident that at some point I will consecrate a woman bishop," Welby said during a visit to promote religious reconciliation in Nigeria, which has the world's biggest mixed Christian-Muslim population.

Women already serve as Anglican bishops in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States, but Anglican churches in many developing countries oppose any female clergy and are working together to shield themselves against such reforms.

The Church of England finds itself somewhere in the middle, struggling to reconcile the views of reformers and traditionalists. The measure cannot now be approved for at least five years.

Welby, an experienced conflict negotiator, drew the loudest applause on Tuesday when he urged members to compromise and vote for the measure, citing bloody conflicts in the Middle East and Africa as examples of what intractable differences can lead to.

He was in Nigeria to launch a program to strengthen ties between Christians and Muslims, being run by former British prime minister Tony Blair's foundation. Blair was also present.

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TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: coe

1 posted on 11/22/2012 6:28:05 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

So why bother to have the vote?


2 posted on 11/22/2012 6:33:47 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: marshmallow
Welby, an experienced conflict negotiator, drew the loudest applause on Tuesday when he urged members to compromise and vote for the measure, citing bloody conflicts in the Middle East and Africa as examples of what intractable differences can lead to.

"Go ahead, woman. Eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge."

3 posted on 11/22/2012 6:34:28 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: marshmallow

I know a guy who is a self-described Tory, and listening to his take on the matter was rather astounding. He talked about how the CoE needs to “modernize” and “get with the times” and not be “bigoted and reactionary”.

Of course, he is also an atheist and rarely has anything to say about matters of faith unless it’s something like this.

Rather sad that the many Tories have become like our Country-Club RINOs.


4 posted on 11/22/2012 6:44:14 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: marshmallow

Will she be the husband of one wife? (1 Timothy 3:2)


5 posted on 11/22/2012 6:44:46 PM PST by doc1019 (Islam, the religion of animals.)
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To: marshmallow

“Welby, an experienced conflict negotiator, drew the loudest applause on Tuesday when he urged members to compromise and vote for the measure, citing bloody conflicts in the Middle East and Africa as examples of what intractable differences can lead to”

Does this mean the almost archbishop is suggesting that “intractability” between the “reformers and traditionalists” will lead to bloodshed in the church”. Is certainly looks like it.

The almost archbishop comes to the church from a business background and has not been a member of the clergy for very long and is still wet behind the ears as a bishop. Seems to me he needs to take some more time with his Bible.


6 posted on 11/22/2012 7:10:54 PM PST by miele man
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To: marshmallow

“Welby, an experienced conflict negotiator, drew the loudest applause on Tuesday when he urged members to compromise and vote for the measure, citing bloody conflicts in the Middle East and Africa as examples of what intractable differences can lead to”

Does this mean the almost archbishop is suggesting that “intractability” between the “reformers and traditionalists” will lead to bloodshed in the church”. It certainly looks like it.

The almost archbishop comes to the church from a business background and has not been a member of the clergy for very long and is still wet behind the ears as a bishop. Seems to me he needs to take some more time with his Bible.


7 posted on 11/22/2012 7:11:31 PM PST by miele man
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To: marshmallow

I don’t belong to that sect, so I really do not give a damn, but when they make women Catholic Priests I will be going to underground real Catholic mass and skipping the lesbian mass.


8 posted on 11/22/2012 7:34:58 PM PST by Venturer
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To: marshmallow

"Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva... So tweasure your wuv."

9 posted on 11/22/2012 8:23:36 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Venturer
Well, The Pope has spoken on this matter and he has been firm that Women are NOT to be priests. If they are ordained in the Catholic Church I will no longer be required to attend as the Church will no longer be the Roman Catholic Church.

The Leaders of these churches that are permissive of radical changes to their form of worship should look closely at the relevance of churches that ordain women. Men do not get involved in the churches. When men leave a church, it dies.

The C of E should concern itself with the fact that 26 Million people are SUPPOSED to be apart of the church, yet fewer than 5% darken a Church Doorstep every week (Around One Million) and less than 10% go once a month to church services. Around 1.7 Million go to services a month.

Their problem isn't being uninclusive. It is TOO permissive.

10 posted on 11/22/2012 9:42:07 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: miele man

That is why he was made Archbishop. They were mocking the more qualified bishops as well as apostolic tradition.


11 posted on 11/22/2012 11:23:42 PM PST by iowamark
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To: 17th Miss Regt

God doesn’t compromise. Unfortunately, too many will find that out too late.


12 posted on 11/22/2012 11:25:06 PM PST by wiley
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To: 17th Miss Regt

God doesn’t compromise. Unfortunately, too many will find that out too late.


13 posted on 11/22/2012 11:25:30 PM PST by wiley
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To: La Lydia; Mad Dawg; lightman
The vote was narrow -- 64% of the laity voted for it, less than the 66% needed. The "bishops" and "pastors" overwhelmingly voted for this and there was a pastor on BBC who said "we will fight to get this overturned" -- so, the vote counts for bupkiss

what is needed is for the Africans etc. to leave, form their own Church if needed.

14 posted on 11/23/2012 1:34:46 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Jim from C-Town; Venturer

There won’t be priestess. The Pope closed the book firmly and with finality — he said that making a decision on this is beyond the rights of any Pope — ergo, no Pope can change this in any possible way. There will always be only priests.


15 posted on 11/23/2012 1:37:14 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

Matters of faith and morals should not be subject to majority vote, or even super-majority as in this instance.

They should not be voted upon at all.

Thankfully, the laity understand Scripture and Holy Tradition far better than their Seminary-educated counterparts.


16 posted on 11/23/2012 4:41:42 AM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: La Lydia

“So why bother to have the vote?”

Go ahead. Take the red pill.

Then you’ll understand.


17 posted on 11/23/2012 4:45:41 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

I agree with your opinion.


18 posted on 11/23/2012 5:10:11 AM PST by Venturer
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To: lightman

The only valid bishops are Catholic bishops. An unbroken line of succession from Jesus’ apostles. When protestants broke away from the one true Christian church, they forfeited their right to have bishops ordained through Holy Orders. The same is true for all faiths that are separated from the Catholic Church. There is a reaon why anglicans are becoming members of the Catholic Church by the thousands each and every day. The truth is the reason, and the truth is the Catholic Church.


19 posted on 11/23/2012 7:05:40 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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