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Anti-Israel Protestants: more Bible study needed
The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles ^ | November 19, 2012 | Mark Paredes

Posted on 11/19/2012 11:57:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

“The state of Israel is an illegal, genocidal place… to equate Judaism with the state of Israel is to equate Christianity with Flavor Flav.” – UCC Pastor Emeritus Jeremiah Wright, in a speech to thousands of people in Baltimore in 2011

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. – Acts 17:11

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Much has been made in the Jewish community – too much, in my humble opinion – of the recent letter signed by 15 Protestant church leaders calling for Congress to review and possibly suspend U.S. aid to Israel, our closest ally in the Middle East. The signatories believe that “unconditional U.S. military assistance to Israel has contributed to this deterioration, sustaining the conflict and undermining the long-term security interests of both Israelis and Palestinians.” To add insult to injury, the letter was released with no notice on a Jewish holiday, just days before a scheduled interfaith meeting between Protestant and Jewish leaders. Predictably, Jewish leaders angrily withdrew from the meeting and denounced the letter. It is hard to see how this troubled dialogue can be resurrected in the near future.

A letter like this doesn’t come out of a vacuum. The offending churches -- Presbyterian Church (USA), Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, United Methodist Church, National Council of Churches USA and the United Church of Christ (UCC) – are all mainline Protestant bodies. In a recent Pew survey, white mainline Protestants knew less about Christianity and the Bible than Mormons, white Evangelicals, white Catholics, black Protestants, Jews and atheists...

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TOPICS: Current Events; Judaism; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: israel; jeremiahwright; obama; protestants
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1 posted on 11/19/2012 11:57:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

untied methodists. figures.


2 posted on 11/20/2012 12:05:12 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

and the irony, this article written by a Mormon — who STILL has more clue about the bible than these estimable old, but now creaky, mainlines that chase the do-good du jour but forget their roots.

of course a better answer than “dialogue” would be for all these mainlines to become baptist... i’m not holding my breath that it will happen!


3 posted on 11/20/2012 12:10:39 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was a survey from about 2 or 3 years ago that didn’t hold up very well when looked at here at FR, tomorrow I will try to see if it is the one they are talking about.


4 posted on 11/20/2012 12:18:50 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
to equate Judaism with the state of Israel is to equate Christianity with Flavor Flav

This feeble attempt at cleverness rather shows that the right Dr. Wright could use a close encounter with logic. The truly discouraging thing about this report is that Jewish leaders would mistake this motley assembly for Christianity.

5 posted on 11/20/2012 12:21:40 AM PST by stormhill
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m old enough to remember when the Lutheran Church was somewhat conservative and Bible-based.


6 posted on 11/20/2012 12:23:09 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

ELCA is not mainline.


7 posted on 11/20/2012 12:27:07 AM PST by steve8714 (Obama's evil shown actual size.)
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Getting told by a guy who thinks Jesus and Satan are brothers that you need to study scripture more? Ouch. The sad thing is, he’s right.


8 posted on 11/20/2012 1:53:26 AM PST by Hayride
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It just fascinates me how a person can read the Bible and miss the points. It says in the King's English that we are adopted in, or grafted in,......into what?.... God's Family. That means if you are a Christian by faith, you are now related to Jesus,.......A JEW! Good, bad, or ugly, God's people are the Jews. Jews are His chosen people and we have agreed to join in and He has agreed to accept us in. The Land of Israel was given to the Jews by God Himself. It belongs to them. Jesus will come back and stand on the Mt. of Olives, not in some mosque. The whole Bible is about God's relationship with His people, the Jews. You, as a Christian are allowed to be part of the action. That was supposed to be GLAD tidings. Rooting for the Muzzies, doesn't make sense for a Christian. You are abandoning your own people.

Unless, of course you want no part of Jesus. That is easily arranged.

9 posted on 11/20/2012 2:00:16 AM PST by chuckles
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To: steve8714
"ELCA is not mainline."

It sure is. The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, along with the PCUSA and the Episcipagans is as mainline, liberal and non-Christian as it gets.

10 posted on 11/20/2012 2:14:58 AM PST by circlecity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Onward “Christian” Soldiers, Marching with the Marxists and Islamists.


11 posted on 11/20/2012 2:30:09 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These misnamed "mainline" churches are led by Marxists who infiltrated them starting as early as the beginning of the 20th century, but really accelerated the takeover in the 60s and 70s.

These church leaders are actually haters of God and are gleeful at the ease with which they have succeeded in turning formerly faithful worshipers into social justice would-be tyrants, their minds poisoned by bitterness and sin.

Jesus is not gentle with such as these:

"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth..." - John 8:44

12 posted on 11/20/2012 3:44:29 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
Jeremiah Wright... Presbyterian Church (USA), Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, United Methodist Church, National Council of Churches USA and the United Church of Christ (UCC)...
Before anyone runs off at the mouth about every last member of these sects -- oops, too late! -- remember that, aw never mind, such snarking people are just jackasses.


13 posted on 11/20/2012 3:55:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I was raised in the United Methodist Church- and I have fond memories of Sunday School- but, what a shame that as I have gotten older I have realized that they don’t know the Bible at all.

If they did, they would understand what Paul said about the progressive-newage “Christian” movement.

I was invited to a children’s meditation meeting , at our local United Methodist Church. It is centering prayer New Age stuff. They believe it is to help them “focus” on God more.

*sigh* teaching that stuff to kids. It really made me sad.


14 posted on 11/20/2012 4:42:33 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: chuckles

These churches are insisting that Jesus was a Palestinian.
They have another Jesus , a fictionally made up Arab one .


15 posted on 11/20/2012 4:52:03 AM PST by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
untied methodists. figures.

You took the word out of my mouth and committed it to posterity.

16 posted on 11/20/2012 5:11:58 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: chuckles

Sorry, but God’s people are the church, not the Jews. God still loves the Jews of course, but they are outside his revealed plan of salvation. Jesus and John the Baptist before him were quite plain spoken about the spiritual peril of Jews who trusted solely in their ancestry. You cannot reject God incarnate and remain his special people.


17 posted on 11/20/2012 5:35:02 AM PST by Romulus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So look at actual scripture instead of off the cuff comments.
Compare Jeremiah 18, Northern Kingdom remade, to Jer. 19 esp. vs 11. Jerusalem shattered like a fired clay pot, never to be made whole again.
Compare Jer. 7:14 to Shiloh’s fate. Judah and Jerusalem told it would be made like Shiloh, which was completely abandoned as the place where god had “set his name at first” cp. 1 Sam 1:24, Ps 78:60 etc.
Read Mt 21-25
21:18-22 The fig tree (Jerusalem) cursed to NEVER produce fruit again. Mountain(Jerusalem) cast into sea(destroyed)
21:28-46 The kingdom taken from Jews given to a nation bringing forth fruits
22:1-14 Destroyed the Jew who were murderers of the prophets.
23 many woes and condemnation for the Jews.
23:36-39 Jerusalem to be left desolate
24 Jerusalem to be destroyed.
25:1-13 five foolish virgins(Jerusalem/Jews) shut out of the marriage feast
25:14-46 Wicked servant(Jews/Jerusalem) has everything taken from him and cast into outer darkness


18 posted on 11/20/2012 5:37:20 AM PST by EyeSalveRich (Proverbs 16:29)
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To: haffast

for you to add to your lists...


19 posted on 11/20/2012 6:08:57 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Gamecock; rhema
to become baptist... i’m not holding my breath that it will happen!

Won't happen

note that while there is a PCUSA, there is a PCA and while there is a ELCA, there is an LCMS -- the PCA and LCMS folks won't support such a blatantly anti-Israel stance, yet I don't see them becoming Baptists either...

20 posted on 11/20/2012 6:15:42 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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