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To: GonzoII; Fiji Hill; Sirius Lee; Mrs. Don-o; CatherineofAragon; OldNavyVet; allmendream; albionin; ..
Fama's article: "Honest evolutionists will admit that evolution is not a science.
It is nothing more than a theory, an assumption that the universe and living things created themselves by a totally naturalistic, materialistic process."

The author's misuse of scientific terms is a certain sign of his scientific illiteracy.
This implies he is not making a scientific argument, but only expressing his religion-based opinions.

In fact: the broad term "science" includes

In short a confirmed theory is the highest form of scientific explanation, so saying "evolution is just a theory" is to misstate the science, and demonstrate the authors scientific illiteracy.

Fama's article: "Evolutionists reject the idea of a Creator because they claim that facts must be observable by the senses.
Thus, this would exclude God."

Some evolutionists are atheists and reject the idea of a Creator, but many are Christians, including leaders of Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox churches.

Fama's article: "The theory of evolution contends that billions of years ago the elements which the universe is made up of were packed into a dense mass at an extremely high temperature.
The mass exploded (the Big Bang)..."

Interesting to note that Fama considers astrophysics' cosmological "big bang theory" to be a sub-set of evolution theory.
Of course, Charles Darwin never intended any such thing.
Darwin made two very simple scientific observations: 1) descent with modifications and 2) natural selection.
These had nothing to do with a "big bang" or even, necessarily, with some "primordial soup".

Fama's article: "Now, if life could come into existence by chance chemical reactions, why can’t the process be repeated in the laboratory..."

Scientifically speaking, there are several hypotheses, but no confirmed theories, about how life first began on earth.
Of those hypotheses, abiogenesis and transpermia are just two.
Efforts to confirm abiogenesis by reproducing "life" in a laboratory have demonstrated that "life" is a matter of definition, but that primitive pre-life organic molecules can be produced under conditions similar to early earth.

But the notion that billions of years of early cellular evolution can be reproduced in a matter of months, even under the most controlled laboratory conditions, is inherently ridiculous.

So all "origin of life" ideas remain unconfirmed hypotheses.

Fama's article: "Just how old the fossils are, is itself a matter of controversy."

No it isn't, not among real scientists.
The evolutionary time-line is well established and repeatedly confirmed through world-wide geological stratigraphy, dozens of radiometric dating techniques, DNA mutation rate analysis, and inputs from many other branches of science.

There is no scientific evidence challenging the accepted evolutionary time-line.

Fama's article: "...the fossil record contains no transitional forms.
Transitional forms are not important to evolution - transitional forms are evolution.
No transitional forms means no evolution!"

The question of "transitional forms" is a matter of perspective.
At its most basic level, every life, including you and me, is a "transitional form" between our ancestors and our descendants.
Research shows that every generation inherits a small number of more-or-less random DNA mutations, making the generation unique and "transitional" between ancestors and descendants.

Most DNA mutations are harmless, or get weeded-out by Natural Selection, and that is why species can live with little visible change for millions of years (the average is approx. one million years).
But when the environment changes (hotter, colder, wetter, dryer, new predators, etc.) and a species must either change or go extinct, then changes can be relatively rapid -- perhaps thousands instead of millions of generations.

As for the alleged absence of "transitional forms", in fact the fossil record is chock full of them, this being just one small example:

Fama's article: "The function of DNA is more complex than a computer’s.
Is it not reasonable to conclude that something this complex had an intelligent designer?"

By definition of the word "Christian", all Christians believe in an Intelligent Designer -- of the Universe, of its physical laws, of Earth itself, and of all life that has ever appeared here.
The scientific question is: what processes did God use to create everything we see?
The scientific answer, in part, is "evolution".
Christians and others who believe that God used evolution to create what we see are called "Theistic Evolutionists".

Theistic Evolutionism is the teaching of most Christian churches, including Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox.

Fama's article: "Within the human body there are a number of irreducibly complex systems.
That is, systems that would not function if they were any simpler."

This often repeated assertion is disproved by innumerable examples from both existing species and the fossil record.
In fact, every "modern" feature can be found in more primitive forms -- in living, fossils and/or embryonic development.

skipping down to Fama's conclusion: "Either an intelligent being created everything out of nothing, or nothing created everything out of nothing.
Which do you suppose is more likely?"

All Christians believe that God created everything out of nothing.
The question is whether He used evolution (as we understand it) to accomplish His purposes?
Those of us, including (if I understand correctly) recent Popes, who think God used evolution are known as theistic evolutionists.

49 posted on 11/20/2012 6:24:51 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

+1


50 posted on 11/20/2012 6:54:36 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: BroJoeK
Brilliant! ... Bravo! ... Thank you!

Recommemded reading (if You haven't already) is Darwin's Ghost by Steve Jones. It's a thoughtful, eye-opening, and modern update - chapter by chapter - of Darwin's original work.

52 posted on 11/20/2012 7:10:19 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: BroJoeK
"Scientifically speaking, there are several hypotheses, but no confirmed theories, about how life first began on earth."

"Some evolutionists are atheists and reject the idea of a Creator, but many are Christians, including leaders of Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox churches."

"Some" evolutionists are atheists? According to Discovery News, the National Academy of Science found that belief in God is as low as 5.5 percent among biologists, and as low as 7.5 percent among physicists and astronomers. These folks, obviously, must find a way to explain away the origin of life without bringing God into the equation. Clearly they will flit from hypothesis to hypothesis, untll one or another is disproved or doubted. Christians have the truth and should hold to it.

"No it isn't, not among real scientists."

::::Grin:::: "Real" scientists---meaning those who believe in evolution, I assume---the majority of whom are atheists. So, belief in God is okay, as long as you can find a way to fit it into atheistic dogma.

Nope.

"By definition of the word "Christian", all Christians believe in an Intelligent Designer -- of the Universe, of its physical laws, of Earth itself, and of all life that has ever appeared here. The scientific question is: what processes did God use to create everything we see? The scientific answer, in part, is "evolution". Christians and others who believe that God used evolution to create what we see are called "Theistic Evolutionists".

You're correct about the terminology, but a theistic evolutionist is the same as a straight homosexual. Regardless of how many popes or learned men identify themselves as such,the two are mutually exclusive. As I said before, evolution states man appeared recently, after millions of years of animals and other life-forms suffering, sickening, killing, bleeding, and dying. The Bible states that suffering, sickness, blood, and death entered the world at the start, after the fall of man. The two beliefs are a contradiction and cannot be resolved.

Jesus said in Matthew 19:4, and again in Mark 10:6, that God made male and female at the beginning. Evolution, as stated above, demands one believe that humans evolved lately. The two beliefs are a contradiction and cannot be resolved, and worse, Christians who say they are also evolutionists are, unwittingly (I hope), painting Jesus Christ as a liar.

There are other dangers inherent in theistic evolution.

We know that God is good, kind, loving, and perfect; theistic evolution misrepresents Him as a being who is the author of millions of years of suffering and death, by His own design.

We know that God is the Father and Maker of all things; theistic evolution reduces Him to a "God of the gaps", to whom credit is given only for those things man can't explain.

We know that we, as humans, are caught in sin, and the only way of redemption is through Jesus Christ. Evolution makes the original Fall, and the concept of sin meaningless----therefore there is no need for a Savior. Our very need for salvation is undermined.

The great majority of evolutionists regard Adam as a myth. Yet Jesus was a direct descendant of Adam. To accept the mythology of Adam puts one in danger of doing the same to Jesus and His redemptive work.

There are more, but it's abundantly clear that believing in evolution and creation are mutually exclusive. They contradict one another and cannot be resolved.

58 posted on 11/20/2012 8:54:53 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: BroJoeK

Thank you for taking the time to write that excellent rebuttal.


64 posted on 11/20/2012 1:05:28 PM PST by albionin
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