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To: ravenwolf

I answered your question, your questions to me ASSUME that the bible alone is a true doctrine (not mentioned anywhere in the bible of course, but thats as may be), my answer was that the HISTORY of the church shows an authorative teaching church built upon peter by Christ himself, to continue through his successors.

This church, along with the Sacred Tradtion and the word of God, all form a cohesive whole.

History shows that. There was no bible for over four hundred years after Christ ascended into heaven.

The Holy Spirit led the catholic church to put the books that Christ wanted, into one volume.....

Who do you think was teaching the faith from the time of the ascension to the time the bible was put together????

Ask yourself, ‘hmmm, was i there two thousand years ago, or were there others there at the time who witnessed and taught the faith in the first few centuries....and wrote down the history’.....

If you choose not to investigate history, that is your loss.


35 posted on 11/16/2012 9:06:03 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan

Who do you think was teaching the faith from the time of the ascension to the time the bible was put together????


Who were the false teachers that Peter, John and Paul warned us about that would if possible deceive the very elect and who do the Catholic Church get their doctrine from??????


36 posted on 11/16/2012 9:37:40 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: raygunfan; boatbums

So there your argument is that there simply was no Bible until Rome provided an infallible canon (when) and thus Scripture could not have been the supreme transcendent standard for obedience and testing truth claims?


48 posted on 11/16/2012 7:45:01 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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