Skip to comments.Does It Matter Which Person of the Trinity We Pray to?
Posted on 11/14/2012 9:33:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind
The following is an edited transcript of the audio.
Does it matter which Person of the Trinity we pray to? Yes, I think it matters. But being wrong about doesn't mean that it's in the category of damnable sin and maybe not even in the category of sin at all.
The Holy Spirit is sent into the world, according to John 16, to glorify the Son. And he glorifies the Son by leading us to the Son and causing us to see the Son as the ground for our access to the Father. The Son came to die for our sins in order to bring us to God. So the pattern that you find almost uniformly-I say almost uniformly-throughout the New Testament is to pray to the Father in the name of the Son by the power of the Holy Spirit. So we're said to pray "in the Spirit" in Ephesians 6:18. "Pray in the Spirit."
"Pray in the name of Jesus," I think means "on the basis of what Jesus has done to make our access to God possible," namely his blood and righteousness. So when I say, "In Jesus' name" at the end of a prayer, I mean "because Jesus died for me and rose again, covered my sins, and imparted and imputed righteousness to me, I have access to the Father." "Because of him"-that's what "In Jesus' name" means.
I know of no example or encouragement to pray... No, no, no. That's not true. I was going to say, "to pray to the Holy Spirit." But "Come Holy Spirit" is not an evil prayer to the Holy Spirit. "Come Holy Spirit."
But if you got into the habit of praying to the Holy Spirit all the time-"You're my Benefactor. I pray to you"-you would be out of sync with the pattern of the New Testament.
So my bottom line answer-and I've been asked this a lot-is to follow in general the pattern of the Bible, namely, pray to the Father in the name of Jesus by the power of the Spirit, that is, in reliance upon the help of the Spirit.
But, from time to time, "Maranatha! Lord Jesus, come!" is not a bad prayer. And "Holy Spirit, fall upon us and grant us a fresh baptism" is not a bad prayer.
So, in general, pray to the Father; but occasionally, to express their Personhood and your own love for them, telling the Spirit and the Son that you love them and that you would like them to come in fullness is a good thing.
“Our Father who art in heaven. . . “
And we creep back toward the Arian heresy.
The New Testament includes specific instructions from Jesus on how to pray. It starts with “Our Father who are in Heaven ...”
So it is clear to me, we are to pray directly to God himself. Jesus did not say for us to pray to the Holy Spirit, or to Mary or to the Apostles or to Angels or Abraham or Moses. Go directly to God, no need to worship or pray to anything less than God himself.
RE: So it is clear to me, we are to pray directly to God himself.
But The Holy Spirit IS God. So is Jesus.
Mathew 6:6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father.......
I pray to Mithra..
In fact, I use this as an invisible and unobtrusive test when I meet another Christian to establish how well they know their scripture.
OK It is right and appropriate to pray to the Father directly; the Lords Prayer clearly shows that.
However, just because we are permitted to pray, and even commanded to pray to the Father, doesnt mean that we are not permitted to pray to the Son.
Some might say that prayers of praise to Jesus are legitimate while prayers of petition are not. I will argue that Jesus accepted and still accepts both kinds of prayer.
According to the apostle Paul, New Testament Christians were everywhere praying to Jesus. Paul. . . to the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christtheir Lord and ours (1 Corinthians 1:12).
It appears that Paul includes himself among those who called upon the name of Jesus. These prayers directed to Jesus were universal. And the present tense of call suggests that the prayers were on-going.
Also, Paul prayed to Jesus when he besought the Lord to remove his thorn in the flesh (2 Corinthians 12:8). Why do we believe that the reference to the Lord here refers to Jesus instead of the Father? In the Pauline epistles, the term Lord (kurios) usually signifies Jesus,6 while God usually denotes to the Father. And look at the response of Paul when the Lord said to him, [My] strength is made perfect in your weakness (2 Corinthians 12:9).
Paul tells us that he would glory in his weakness that the power of Christ (the Lord) would be revealed in him. So the referent for the Lord is Jesus. Paul prayed to Jesus, and Jesus responded. Notice that these were prayers of petition, not praise. These were not spontaneous petitions or petitions given in response to the voice of the Lord or a vision, but a prayer prayed three times, as Paul persisted in his request to Jesus. If it were inappropriate for someone to offer supplication to Jesus, Paul would not have asked Jesus three times to answer a specific request. Jesus did not rebuke Paul for praying the prayer, but He did inform Paul that he was better off without the request being granted.
Furthermore, In 2 Thessalonians 2:1617, Paul blessed the Thessalonians with these words: May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father. . . encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.
Even though this benedictory prayer is in a different form than other prayers, it implies a request to Jesus (and the Father), and this suggests the legitimacy of prayer to Jesus.7 Paul expected Jesus to answer this request. A similar benedictory prayer (invoking the name of Jesus) is found in 1 Thessalonians 3:1114.
In the Gospels, Jesus was worshipped, and He accepted it (John 9:38). Surely this involved verbal communication to Jesus or prayer. The Gospels are not the only place where worship of Jesus occurs. The angels are told to worship Jesus.
There is worship of Jesus (the Lamb) in Revelation by both angels and humans (Revelation 5:813).
Since all three members of the Trinity are God, then worship is due to each of them, collectively and individually, because of the nature of the Trinity. Worship involves praise and adoration. It would be wrong to discourage people from addressing each member of the Trinity in praise and adoration.
IF you are a Trinitarian, then it should be a moot point. It would be like asking (stretch of an analogy I know but stay with me) When addressing a letter to the editor, which editorial desk do I send the letter to.
If you are a non-Trinitarian, then it is a valid question to which Jesus supplied the answer.
I pray to mythra!
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I pray to mythra!
It’s nice to know you’re evaluating all your fellow Christians. Matthew 7:3
Do you pray to mythra?
Not sure if Mithra is happy about his name being mis-spelled :)
Yeshua said to pray to The Father.
Arianism, Nestorianism, and Modalism are rampant in certain segments of XXI Century Christianity.
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